Re: Incoming passengers to the UK
- From: saulmarks@xxxxxxxxxxx (Saul Marks)
- Date: 25 Feb 2009 08:49:38 -0800
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Dear Anita,
Although I've already replied to you privately, I wanted to add to what Peter
Zavon wrote, for the benefit of others:
The UK did not retain (I don't know if they ever required) passenger lists
for vessels arriving from the European continent.
The Public Record Office (as was - now the National Archives) did require these
manifests to be kept, but chose not to retain them. That decision was made made
decades ago, long before genealogy was a popular hobby.
Your great grandfather may have taken a ship directly to Liverpool from one
of the northeastern European ports, or even from Hamburg or Bremen. Another
route from north Europe was to the English east coast, landing at Hull or
Grimsby and then taking the Great Northern Railway to Liverpool.
The second of these routes was by far the more popular. Ships landing at Liverpool
tended to come from Mediterranean, African, Indian or Australasian ports. The
vast majority of the Ashkenazi immigrants came through Hull or Grimsby,
particularly if transmigrating as Peter accurately describes. Those who landed
at other east coast ports (usually Harwich or London) tended to get the train
to Southampton if going on to America. Bristol was another west coast port but
it was more of a freight (& slave) port & rarely took migrants to the west.
Glasgow in Scotland did take passengers west, & the logical explanation is that
they took the migrants who had landed at more northern east coast portsm such as
Ediburgh, Newcastle & Gateshead.
The UK collection of passenger lists for vessels departing for destinations
other than continental Europe and the Mediterranean begins in 1895 so your
1902 departure may have been preserved. The last I heard, however, they are
not on microfilm, let alone available in digital form. They are boxed at
the Public Records Office by port of departure and then roughly organized by
date of departure. However, since researchers do look through the boxes for
particular vessels and people, the order in any give box can be very rough.
I'm glad to say that, although this was still the case up until about 2007,
things have finally moved on. The series named BT27 (outgoing passenger lists)
was digitised by FindMyPast & is available at www.ancestorsonboard.com. Searches
are free but downloading images costs money. The series named BT26 (incoming
passenger lists) has now also been done & is available through Ancestry.com.
The UK departure passenger lists contain less information than the US
arrival lists for the same voyage. Unless you are a completist and want a
copy of every document created during the emigration, I see little reason to
seek the UK departure list unless you are unable to find the corresponding
US arrival list.
I wholeheartedly agree with Peter's statement here. The outgoing list usually
includes ticket number, name, age & port of destination. Sometimes, it includes
occupation. In one instance, for a 1914 transmigrant out of Liverpool, the
manifest gave the name of the port of entry into the UK (Grimsby) & name of the
ship that brought her there, so that was an added bonus. It gave no date of entry
into the UK though, & I've never seen such detail on a BT27 manifest before or
since. The only information these documents have that the US manifests often
don't is the ticket number, but that's not hugely exciting, unless you have the
original ticket with that number on it. Oh, the other thing I used to like, when
the manifests were boxed at the National Archives, was looking on the back page
& seeing the total numbers of men, women & children on board. It brought it to
life a little more.
I hope you & others find this information useful.
Regards,
Saul Marks
Liverpool
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