Re: GEN-DE word definition
- From: "johnillenberger@xxxxxxxxxxx" <johnillenberger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:55:39 -0700
On Sep 4, 6:07 pm, Klaus Gebhardt <klausgebha...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I think, all writers here explained "Erdbirenland" very good but they
assumed, that it was written correctly. What about the following scenarion?
A bunch of German farmers arrived in NY and fell in line at the
immigration office. Our farmer is the next in the row.
The writer (he understood a bit German, this is why he is sitting there)
asks: "Where are you coming from?" The farmer is not yet familar in
English and answered in German "Erdbeerenland". But his pronounciation
is so bad, that the writer asked again ... and again. Finally the
supervisor (English is his mother tongue) ask the farmer to write it
down. The farmer did it and the English supervisor dictated it to the
writer. In this case, an english speaking person would read "Erd bee
renland", pronouncing the middle part like a "bee". Our German writer,
who thought, he is listening to a German word would now write
Sorry to confuse everybody :-) Maybe the probability of this scenario is
low, but what we always need to know for a good translation
is the context of the document: WHO wrote it and WHAT are the sources
of the writer?
Klaus Beutel schrieb:
Joe Pessarra schrieb:
"Klaus Beutel" <kabe...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Joe Pessarra schrieb:
<johnillenber...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
I'm hoping someone can tell me what Erdbirenland means? I can't find
it in any of my dictionaries.
Believe the word is spelled Erdbeerenland. Erdbeeren is strawberry.
How about strawberry land?
Joe in Texas
In dialekts of Southgermany (Württemberg, Schwaben) the words
"Erdbir(a), Erdbiren, Bodenbir(a), Bodenbiren, Grundbir(a),
Erdapfel(-aepfel)" are used for "Kartoffel" = potato(es).
Depending on the contex, "Erdbirenland" may be the farmland, field,
ditrict or a province where potatoes are cultivated.
Strawberry is pronounced "Erdber(a)" with an "e" instead of an "i".
Slight difference, but big effect :-)
(surrounded by Erdbira, Erdbera, apples, pears and plums)
Thanks to Lutz, Klaus, and Erika, I have learned something new. I had
thought the spelling might have been a phonetic spelling for a word that
John had heard. However, it was a written word in a book, I found later.
Here is what John emailed me.
"Thanks, Joe. The spelling Erdbirenland is used in the Heimatbuch for
Nattheim and Oggenhausen, but I think you're correct. It probably means
Not the first mistake I have made this year.
Don't worry about that mistake.
Somebody who is not familiar with dialekts and pronounciations of words
in the southern parts of Germany, it was very difficult to crack the
First it is quite unusual to write a dialect-word in an official book.
Then one has to know that a dialect-word is written the way the writer
pronounces the word. And there is only a slight difference between the
pronounciaton of "Erdbir" and "Erdber".
"bir" is pronounced in German similarily to the English word "beer".
"ber" is pronounced in German similarily to the English word "bear".
As long as there are still some "locals" in this group who may work as
nut-crackers, those problems may be solved to everybodies' satisfaction.
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Perhaps I ought to give the context in which Erdbirenland was used
here. It is a quote from an early 19th century contract between a
Mother and her son in Nattheim. It is part of the discussion of my
Illenberger Family included in the "Heimatbuch von Nattheim und
Oggenhausen" by Albrecht Ritz, published in 1951.
My Illenberger ancestors were from Nattheim. I've found it quite
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