Re: Prussian spelling of "Versch" needed

In article <REitg.3869$vO.3723@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
In News MPG.1f1f603e177fe280989685@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,, Mike Gramelspacher at
gramelsp@xxxxxxxx, typed this:

In article <wwWsg.7345$cd3.4625@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
ckdbigtoeNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
In News MPG.1f1d9b1237a350dd989684@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,, Mike
Gramelspacher at gramelsp@xxxxxxxx, typed this:

This sounds like the south German pronunciation of the long o-umlaut
as in the phrase Danke schön. We Americans tend to say danke
schayn. I guess danke schon just does not sound right to us. Who
knows.

So it's a cultural problem rather than a linguistic problem? Okay,
thanks.

Of course it is a linguistics problem. We have a time component to
this emigration issue. The German language nowadays is becoming
standardized, but in the 1800s people spoke more dialects, perhaps
only dialects for most people. A native German speaker from one area
on hearing Dömer pronounced might write the name differently from the
way a speaker from another area would. If it is a matter of reading a
handwritten document the clerk may not have been able to distinguish
whether it was ä or ö. This does not even touch the issue of the
clerk being English speaking American as opposed to being a native
German speaker.

Is there a way to pin down what dialect was spoken in the 1850's for that
part of Prussia/Germany? Nordheim, Westphalia, down around the Rahrbach,
Kirchhundem, Lennestadt area?



My guess is a dialect called Ripuarian in English. It bordered the Low
German area to the north. German dialects are grouped very generally as
Higy German (south), Middle German (central) and Low German (north).
Ripuarian was West Middle German spoken near Colgne. Maybe someone else
can speak more precisely.
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Prussian spelling of "Versch" needed
    ... In News MPG.1f201353235de8c2989686@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,, Mike Gramelspacher at ... o-umlaut as in the phrase Danke schön. ... The German language nowadays is becoming ... only dialects for most people. ...
    (soc.genealogy.german)
  • Re: Plausibility Check
    ... I thought he meant to say that dialects of one language (eg. ... homogenized dachsprache of several regional German dialects. ... These colloquials are definitely not the result ...
    (sci.lang)
  • Re: yiddish
    ... perceived as German dialects. ... intelligibility between German and Yiddish. ... I said "a distinct literary norm, ... question of sociolinguistics, politics, and "politically motivated ...
    (sci.lang)
  • Re: The high German consonant shift
    ... In Southern German dialects. ... modern dialectical usage has nothing to do with 9th century usage and the Consonantal Shift in Old High German which the examples I gave are but illustrative examples. ... So methinks that your "SG" dialects and examples are actually all NORTHERN dialects, which is where we'd expect to find ikke, Vadda, etc. ...
    (soc.history.medieval)
  • Re: KT boundry event
    ... The dialects have diverged due to unique ... but there's no reason to think that Germans inhabit some kind of ... other German speakers. ... the dialect was close enough to English to be ...
    (talk.origins)