Re: Dating early 20th century photographs: Alice or Margot?

Alpha M wrote:

Can anybody help date two photographs and by doing so confirm the ID
of each sitter?

The first picture is either Alice (b. 1871) or her mother, Marguerite
(b.1844). I think it is a photograph of Alice, in which case the date
is circa 1914. If it’s Margot, it cannot be later that 1906. The
photograph was taken in Preston, Lancashire by Leslie Shawcross
(sic?)

http://render3.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6l0Q%7C%3Dup6RKKt%3Axxr%3DG-qpDPfRtglf7mrPfrj7t%3DzrRfDUX%3AeQaQxg%3Dr%3F87KR6xqpxQQeex0enxGnnxv8uOc5xQQaJGQQllGQQlqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6qgXGQQPG%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,378,480


I don't suppose there's a way to find out when Shawcross was in business in Preston? I mean, if he were there only between 1910 and 1913, that tells you something.

The outfit isn't telling me much ... not enough of it, for one thing, and that bright orange matte is tricking my vision on the contrast. I have a portrait where the clothing is similar to this. My woman died in Jan 1900.

The hairstyle, particularly that curl in the middle of the forehead, might be easy to date, though. And if it post-dates 1906, you've eliminated one possibility.


The second picture is of a woman named Marguerite but does it look as
though the photograph was taken in 1906…at the very latest?

http://render3.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6GlQ%7C%3Dup6RKKt%3Axxr%3DG-qpDPfRtglf7mrPfrj7t%3DzrRfDUX%3AeQaQxg%3Dr%3F87KR6xqpxQQeex0enxGnnxv8uOc5xQQaJGQQleQQQlqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6qgXGQQQa%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,310,442

In 1906, she'd've been in her 60s. She's VERY well preserved to be in her 60s. Looks more like 40 to me.

OTOH, again, there are two date-able features: that boa and the collar.

How certain are you that these are two different women?

FWIW

Cheryl






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