Re: Occupation on death almost ........ 1892

Jock wrote:
On Sep 12, 12:04 am, Renia<re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Renia wrote:
John Prentice wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:
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[Middle English journeiman : journei, a day's work; (...)

Hugh:

First, my father was a printer from apprentice to death, and was deeply
interested in the history of his trade, so I do know what I'm talking
about.

Second, the definition you quote might well have been current in the
Middle Ages, but certainly wasn't by the end of the C19th.

Third, the "online dictionary" you quoted was the Wikipedia article for
"Journeyman". Hardly a canonical source. I'm perfectly capable of using
Google and Wikipedia myself, thanks.

The Collins Online Dictionary (a rather more reliable source) defines
the word as "a qualified craftsman who works for an employer, journey
(in obsolete sense: a day’s work)"

The Random House Dictionary has this:
1. a person who has served an apprenticeship at a trade or handicraft
and is certified to work at it assisting or under another person.
2. any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer.
3. a person hired to do work for another, usually for a day at a
time.

Both of these definitions provide clear evidence of the linguistic drift
from the medieval meaning to the present one in general usage, never
mind printing. And I think you'll find that by the end of the C19th, the
usage was modern, not ancient.

recte:



Lloyd's Encyclopedic Dictionary (1893) defines journeyman thus:

Properly, a workman hired by the day; but now generally applied to any
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I am/was a journeyman compositor/printer, having served an
apprenticeship of 7 years. From the completion of my apprenticeship I
could then become a master (employing workmen) but due to the enormous
cost of equipment was never able to afford to start my own business!

another route was to marry the bosses daughter or widow

Hugh W



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