Re: seaman vs. sailor vs. mariner

Elaborated here -

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm#origins



"Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:mailman.91.1251121997.15794.genbrit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 24 Aug 2009 at 9:52, Joe Wakefield wrote:

On 24/08/2009 02:24, Steve Hayes decided to pen the following;-:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:43:01 GMT, Sue & Rob Beilby
> <sabbar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> My husband's gt grandfather (as was his gt gt. grandfather and gt
>> gt gt grandfather) was a Master Mariner. He sailed a Humber Keel
>> from Hull, where he found a cargo, up the Humber and then on the
>> South Yorkshire canals (or down the Trent). On the 1901 census his
>> eldest daughter is living in the village of Stainforth, looking
>> after 9 brothers and sisters (so they could go to school) whilst
>> he, his wife and baby are on the keel. There were many families in
>> Stainforth and nearby Thorne involved with the sailing keel/barge
>> trade.
>
> My great great grandfather, Richard Vause, was born in Hull, but
> most of his siblings were born in Thorne and Epworth (all in
> Humberside, though Roy Stockdill doesn't like that name).

Humberside did not exist until 1974 and only lasted 22 years. >

Thank you, Joe! Clearly, Steve doesn't seem to understand the basis on which
genealogical records are maintained.

It's not a question of my "not liking that name" but purely of historical accuracy. When his
great-great-father and his siblings were born, they could not possibly have been born in
Humberside because, as you rightly point out, it didn't come into existence until 1974 and
was, mercifully, abolished in the 1990s as an abomination to all decent Yorkshiremen
and women.

Surely Steve should realise that you don't record an event that occurred in the 19th
century by giving its location as the modern place name? You record it in the name that
existed at the time, which in this case was very clearly Yorkshire. BTW, there was no
such place as South Yorkshire, either, in the 19th century. That too was an invention of
the Whitehall bureaucrats in 1974. Most of what is now South Yorkshire was in the
historic West Riding.

In the same way, you wouldn't dream of recording that a person born in Liverpool,
Lancashire, at the same time was born in Merseyside - yet another name that didn't exist
until 1974.

Unfortunately, bureaucrats invariably lack any vestige of either common sense or
historical sensitivity when drawing up new boundaries and giving them damned silly
names. How many people know, for instance, that Kirklees is Huddersfield, Calderdale is
Halifax, Claro is Harrogate and Dacorum is Hemel Hempstead?

--
Roy Stockdill
Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about."
OSCAR WILDE



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