Re: Fundamental Question about GRO (UK) Death Records

Guy Etchells wrote:
JJupar@xxxxxxx wrote:
In a message dated 02/08/2009 06:34:11 GMT Daylight Time, peter.thomas8899@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

As far as I'm aware, there is no requirement for a baptism to have
taken place, for a death certificate to have been issued.



Hi
A child must be baptised and given a name before it can be buried in a churchyard in hallowed ground. If a vicar or similar does the burial, there must be a death certificate to show its death.
I am not sure what happens now, but it was the practice to slip a still-born child into any convenient coffin by an undertaker without mention to anyone. It could have been buried in an unmarked grave in a piece of land set aside for such babies outside the official burial area. You could almost put it anywghere but in a hallowed part of a graveyard.
A hurried baptism at the birthing, carried out by anyone, meant that the dead child could be given a Burial in hallowed ground. This is what happened when a child even lived for only a few minutes or hours. If a child's birth was registered then a death certificate would have been registered, baptised or not.
I am sorry if this is rather jumbled but I hope it makes it clearer for you. JUDY ELKINGTON
[N. Derbyshire, England]

Sorry but that is another genealogical myth, though this time with a touch of truth.

Any perosn who dies in a parish has the right to be buried in the churchyard of the parish church (if open for burials).
It makes not difference whether they have been buried or not or whether they are Christian or not dying in the parish gives them the right to burial in the parish churchyard.

The only exceptions are those who are ecomunicants and those who have murdered a person including suicide (if they have not repented before death).
Cheers
Guy

I think Judy confused "still-born" and "died young (possibly unbaptised)"

Clearly you are correct and she is wrong.

In more recent times (over the ast 50 years) I've never known a CoE vicar to ask about baptism before conducting a burial. Similarly it was quite common in 19c for unknown indigents to be buried when, clearly, there was no way of knowing if the individual was baptised. As far as suicides are concerned I'm sure you are correct although I believe (I'm NOT certain) that if the Inquest Verdict was "Suicide while of unsound mind" then burial in consecrated ground was allowed (I know that happened once in my family but I'm hesitant to generalise from the particular)

Judy's contributions need to be regarded with caution. In some areas she is quite knowledgeable but, I'm sure out of a desire to help, she unfortunately frequently gives misleading answers on topics of which she is not knowledgeable.






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