Re: DNA analysis

Renia wrote:
Hugh Watkins wrote:

Jeff wrote:

Richard van Schaik wrote:


Not rude, but to the point about his feelings on the subject.


Come on Richard,

By any standard it was incredibly rude.



to educate a donkey you need a thick plank to beat it with

You calling me a donkey? Thank you, so much.

some of you guys are mugs falling for the commercial gene labs advertisements
if you want to throw money away go ahead

Precisely why I asked for advice in the first place.

and the advice is DO NOT

it is a FAQ and the only answer is a carefully designed study by a professional *may* be useful

any kind of random testing is a waste of time and money
far more fun to research another line or the collaterals

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http://dna.ancestry.com/sampleTest.aspx

PATERNAL ANCIENT ANCESTRY

Paternal Ancient Ancestry Haplogroup R1b first arrived first arrived in Europe from West Asia during the Upper Paleolithic period (35,000-40,000 years ago) at the beginning of the Aurignacian culture. This culture is one of the first within Europe to leave cave art, and their stone tools were more refined than previous periods. The Périgordian culture is also thought by some to have existed at this time.

As the last ice age began, it became necessary to move down to below the tree line to hunt game. At its peak, the ice shelf within Europe extended down as far as southern Ireland, the middle of England and across northern Germany. Scandinavia was entirely covered. The sea ice pack extended as far as northern Spain, and tundra covered much of continental Europe. The tree line at the height of the ice age extended as far south as southern France, northern Italy, the northern Balkans and across the Black Sea.

People with Haplogroup R1 Y-chromosomes retreated to below these regions where they established themselves. As the ice age ended and the fauna and flora were able to move northward again, people in R1b also migrated north. Haplogroup R1 appears in about 50% of the total European population whereas R1b remains by far the most common haplogroup in western Europe (Spain, Portugal, France, UK and Ireland). R1b3, one of the most successful clades, has its origins about 11,800 years ago. Within the British Isles, a genetic pattern called the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) features greatly among the Irish and Welsh. Some researchers consider this haplotype to be representative of the early Celtic migrations. Haplogroup R1b is prevalent within South America because of the influx of Iberian Y chromosomes to the continent over the last 500 years. << this is of course a boiler plate text -- like any horoscope :-)

DYS426
12
DYS438
12
DYS439
12
DYS441
14
DYS447
25
DYS448
19
DYS449
30
DYS454
11
DYS455
11
DYS458
17
DYS460
10
DYS461
12
DYS463
23
DYS464a
-
DYS464b
-
DYS464c
-
DYS464d
-
DYS464e
-
DYS464f
-
YCAIIa
19
YCAIIb
23
Y-GATA-H4.1
21

is my own profile and I have not got a clue what it all means or what to do next . . . making very wide comparisions

"At 50% probability, you are related:

* within 20 generations
* within 500 years"

250 matches within 70 generations

quite a lot of manually entered data I see

http://dna.ancestry.com/dashboardCompare.aspx

Comparison of Paternal Lineage Test (Y-chromosome) Participants

The table displays the most closely matching participants near the top. A grey cell with a number indicates where your tests differ. Your closest matches will differ by fewer than 2 or 3 markers. You can contact any participant below by using Ancestry's connection service which allows you to keep your e-mail address private.
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my problem is at what point is this significant ?

the set up is very well designed with good graphics

obviously getting a close match within 4 to 10 generations might be interesting

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I think the horoscope comparison is apt

Horoscopes arose in a time of ignorance but were based on accurate observation of astral movements

Industrial horoscopes of today reflect underlying psychological needs and insecurities of the newspapers and magazine readers who enjoy them


Astronomers have moved on to cosmology and atom physics

see http://www.answers.com/topic/tycho-brahe?cat=technology
Tycho Brahe

[b. Knudstrop, Denmark, December 14, 1546, d. Benatky, near Prague (Czech Republic), October 24, 1601]

Like Galileo, Tycho is generally known by his first name. His reputation began in 1572 when he described a supernova. Denmark's king built the first true astronomical observatory for Tycho, from which he and his assistants, including Kepler, produced the most accurate observations ever made without a telescope. Despite this, Tycho developed his own (incorrect) model of the solar system.<< he used the data to provide lists of unlucky days for the king of Dennmark

"Tykobrahe days", which are days in which you by folklore are at risk of bad luck, and should be extra careful. The reason why these days have the name Tykobrahe days are because especially when Tycho Brahe worked for the emperor Rudolph II, he had a reputation as a prominent astrologer. He did, as was common at the time, calculate a list of days, which were specially unlucky, when it was best to do nothing important at all

http://www.nada.kth.se/~fred/tycho/tychomalnak.html

so in about 400 years time gene tech may be mature - just now it is maybe as popular as mesmerism was amongst insecure believers . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesmerism

Hugh W
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