Re: Muslims assail pope over Islam comments
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/14/news/pope.php
Muslims assail pope over Islam comments
By Ian Fisher The New York Times
Published: September 14, 2006
ROME As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim
leaders Thursday strongly criticized a speech he gave using
unflattering language about Islam and violence.
Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in
jeopardy Benedict's plan to visit there in November.
"I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world
of a person who has such ideas about Islam's prophet," Ali Bardakoglu,
a cleric who is head of the Turkish government's directorate of
religious affairs, said in a television interview there. "He should
first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and
respect for the other."
Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to in
Germany and France, also criticized the pope's remarks, with many
demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of anger about the
speech may become more clear Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which
grievances are often vented publicly.
The Vatican did not respond on Thursday, as the pope returned home from
his six-day trip to Germany, to the criticism of the speech.
On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address, which some church
experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate, saying that the
West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it
had closed God out of public life, science and academia.
He began this speech at Regensburg University with what he conceded
were "brusque" words about Islam: He quoted a 14th-century Byzantine
emperor as having said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was
new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his
command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
The pope also used the word "jihad," or holy war, saying that violence
was contrary to God's nature and to reason.
But, at the end of a speech that did not otherwise mention Islam, he
also said that reason could be the basis for "that genuine dialogue of
cultures and religions so urgently needed today."
The pope's spokesman said Tuesday that the pope did not intend to
insult Islam. But many experts on Islam warned that Benedict ran the
risk of offense in using such strong language, especially with tensions
between religions so high.
And on Thursday, criticism began flowing toward the 79-year-old
Benedict, who has taken a more skeptical, hard-nosed approach to Islam
than did his predecessor, John Paul II, who died in April 2005.
"I don't think the church should point a finger at extremist activities
in other religions," Aiman Mazyek, president of the Central Council of
Muslims in Germany, told the newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung, pointedly
recalling the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Vatican's
relations with Nazi Germany.
The French Council for the Muslim Religion demanded that Benedict
"clarify" his remarks. "We hope that the church will very quickly give
us its opinion and clarify its position so that it does not confuse
Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a
religion but a political ideology," Dalil Boubakeur, president the
council and head of the Paris Mosque, told Agence France-Press.
In Kuwait, the leader of the Islamic Nation Party, Haken al-Mutairi,
demanded an apology for what he called "unaccustomed and unprecedented"
remarks.
"I call on all Arab and Islamic states to recall their ambassadors from
the Vatican and expel those from the Vatican until the pope says he is
sorry for the wrong done to the prophet and to Islam, which preaches
peace, tolerance, justice and equality," Mutairi told Agence
France-Presse.
In Pakistan, Muslim leaders and scholars said that Benedict's words
widened the gap between Islam and Christianity, risking what one
official called greater "disharmony."
"The pope's statement is highly irresponsible," said another ranking
Muslim, Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, an Islamic scholar, in Pakistan. "The
concept of jihad is not to spread Islam with sword."
The criticism from the Islamic leader in Turkey was especially strong,
and carries with it particular embarrassment if Benedict were forced to
cancel or delay his visit to Turkey. Many Turks are already critical of
Benedict, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, had opposed Turkey's entry
to the European Union in 2004.
Bardakoglu, the head of the directorate of religious affairs, demanded
an apology, saying that the remarks "reflect the hatred in his heart.
It is a statement full of enmity and grudge."
In Morocco, a newspaper, Aujourd'hui, questioned the good faith of
Benedict's call for dialogue between religions.
"Pope Benedict XVI has a strange approach to the dialogue between
religions," the paper said in an editorial. "He is being provocative."
The paper also drew a comparison between the pope's remarks and the
outcry in the Muslim world over unflattering cartoons of the Prophet
Muhammad from a Danish paper published last year.
"The global outcry over the calamitous cartoons have only just died
down and now the pontiff, in all his holiness, is launching an attack
against Islam," the newspaper said.
Protestant voices concerns
The dissident theologian Hans Küng faulted Pope Benedict XVI on
Thursday for not reaching out more to Protestants during his visit to
his native Germany, The Associated Press reported from Munich.
He praised the pope, however, for his defense of religion's role in
public life.
Küng, a professor emeritus of theology at the University of Tuebingen,
said he was gratified to hear that Benedict had told President Horst
Köhler, a Protestant, that he would work for reconciliation.
"I was very pleased to hear the pope answer President Köhler that he
would work with his heart and intellect to bring Catholics and
Protestants together," Küng said. "Unfortunately, the meeting with the
Protestants was a big disappointment.
"He did not even greet them as churches, only as friends from the
different traditions of the Reformation."
Benedict's speech during the meeting, the one ecumenical event during
his six-day trip, did not address any of the thorny issues dividing the
two groups.
These include sharing communion and the role of the papacy.
ROME As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim
leaders Thursday strongly criticized a speech he gave using
unflattering language about Islam and violence.
Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in
jeopardy Benedict's plan to visit there in November.
"I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world
of a person who has such ideas about Islam's prophet," Ali Bardakoglu,
a cleric who is head of the Turkish government's directorate of
religious affairs, said in a television interview there. "He should
first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and
respect for the other."
Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to in
Germany and France, also criticized the pope's remarks, with many
demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of anger about the
speech may become more clear Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which
grievances are often vented publicly.
The Vatican did not respond on Thursday, as the pope returned home from
his six-day trip to Germany, to the criticism of the speech.
On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address, which some church
experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate, saying that the
West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it
had closed God out of public life, science and academia.
He began this speech at Regensburg University with what he conceded
were "brusque" words about Islam: He quoted a 14th-century Byzantine
emperor as having said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was
new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his
command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
The pope also used the word "jihad," or holy war, saying that violence
was contrary to God's nature and to reason.
But, at the end of a speech that did not otherwise mention Islam, he
also said that reason could be the basis for "that genuine dialogue of
cultures and religions so urgently needed today."
The pope's spokesman said Tuesday that the pope did not intend to
insult Islam. But many experts on Islam warned that Benedict ran the
risk of offense in using such strong language, especially with tensions
between religions so high.
And on Thursday, criticism began flowing toward the 79-year-old
Benedict, who has taken a more skeptical, hard-nosed approach to Islam
than did his predecessor, John Paul II, who died in April 2005.
"I don't think the church should point a finger at extremist activities
in other religions," Aiman Mazyek, president of the Central Council of
Muslims in Germany, told the newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung, pointedly
recalling the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Vatican's
relations with Nazi Germany.
The French Council for the Muslim Religion demanded that Benedict
"clarify" his remarks. "We hope that the church will very quickly give
us its opinion and clarify its position so that it does not confuse
Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a
religion but a political ideology," Dalil Boubakeur, president the
council and head of the Paris Mosque, told Agence France-Press.
In Kuwait, the leader of the Islamic Nation Party, Haken al-Mutairi,
demanded an apology for what he called "unaccustomed and unprecedented"
remarks.
"I call on all Arab and Islamic states to recall their ambassadors from
the Vatican and expel those from the Vatican until the pope says he is
sorry for the wrong done to the prophet and to Islam, which preaches
peace, tolerance, justice and equality," Mutairi told Agence
France-Presse.
In Pakistan, Muslim leaders and scholars said that Benedict's words
widened the gap between Islam and Christianity, risking what one
official called greater "disharmony."
"The pope's statement is highly irresponsible," said another ranking
Muslim, Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, an Islamic scholar, in Pakistan. "The
concept of jihad is not to spread Islam with sword."
The criticism from the Islamic leader in Turkey was especially strong,
and carries with it particular embarrassment if Benedict were forced to
cancel or delay his visit to Turkey. Many Turks are already critical of
Benedict, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, had opposed Turkey's entry
to the European Union in 2004.
Bardakoglu, the head of the directorate of religious affairs, demanded
an apology, saying that the remarks "reflect the hatred in his heart.
It is a statement full of enmity and grudge."
In Morocco, a newspaper, Aujourd'hui, questioned the good faith of
Benedict's call for dialogue between religions.
"Pope Benedict XVI has a strange approach to the dialogue between
religions," the paper said in an editorial. "He is being provocative."
The paper also drew a comparison between the pope's remarks and the
outcry in the Muslim world over unflattering cartoons of the Prophet
Muhammad from a Danish paper published last year.
"The global outcry over the calamitous cartoons have only just died
down and now the pontiff, in all his holiness, is launching an attack
against Islam," the newspaper said.
Protestant voices concerns
The dissident theologian Hans Küng faulted Pope Benedict XVI on
Thursday for not reaching out more to Protestants during his visit to
his native Germany, The Associated Press reported from Munich.
He praised the pope, however, for his defense of religion's role in
public life.
Küng, a professor emeritus of theology at the University of Tuebingen,
said he was gratified to hear that Benedict had told President Horst
Köhler, a Protestant, that he would work for reconciliation.
"I was very pleased to hear the pope answer President Köhler that he
would work with his heart and intellect to bring Catholics and
Protestants together," Küng said. "Unfortunately, the meeting with the
Protestants was a big disappointment.
"He did not even greet them as churches, only as friends from the
different traditions of the Reformation."
Benedict's speech during the meeting, the one ecumenical event during
his six-day trip, did not address any of the thorny issues dividing the
two groups.
These include sharing communion and the role of the papacy.
.
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