Panlop Calls on Surayud to Resign From the Privy Council
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- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:04:26 +0800
Panlop Calls on Surayud to Resign From the Privy Council
Posted by Bangkok Pundit | 3/27/2009 06:50:00 PM
reports that Gen. Panlop has been interviewed and stated that in regards to
Thaksin's phone-in that Surayud was behind the coup, that this was true. He
stated that Surayud never invited him to the meetings at a residence in
Sukhumvit, but the owner of the residence invited him. He said there were 3-4
meetings where they discussed the problems of the Thaksin government. There were
seen as two ways to solve this, under the constitution or by law. If use the
first way, then there would be a coup. During the meeting, he said it was not
discussed on who would be PM and Surayud stated we are staging the coup this
time for the country and no one hope to gain a position. He said the format of
the meeting was a roundtable. He noted that Gen. Sonthi was not present.
He then calls on Surayud to show "spirit" and resign from the Privy Council [the
article says more is forthcoming once the full quotes are included]
article quotes Panlop as saying yesterday that he was not not speaking yet
because he was being inundated with phonecalls asking him not to talk. He was
meant to attend a meeting of National Defence Volunteers, but they cancelled it
at the last moment without telling him. He was told it was because they were
concerned he would give a press conference after the meeting.
Panlop said he is not fighting for Thaksin or acting as a political tool. He
said whatever is said should not affect upstairs [ie the Palace] or downstairs,
but he wants Thai society to know the truth on what is what. He said some people
said they were acting on behalf of the country, but then they were the ones who
became important. Older people in society just lie about it all.
Occasional // March 27, 2009 7:42 PM
Maybe now Thaksin knows it is all over for him and he just wants to take a few
with him.Panlop reliable. Unlikely. Tapes have never worked before but some of
the PC may have to fall on their swords for publicity related reasons.Obviosuly
divisions up top but probably not over bringing Thaksin back but over
sacrificing others as well as over previous bad tactics.A sinking ship can suck
dowb anyone too close to it.
Fonzi // March 27, 2009 10:52 PM
It is ironic that the three people notorious for not telling the truth--Thaksin,
Panlop, and Sondhi--are all corroborating that General Surayud, the
self-admitted former thief with impeccable Yodalike integrity, is a liar.You got
to wonder why General Panlop is rocking the boat.I think this is the first time
I have heard a Thai military officer rat out on the brotherhood. They usually
cover up for each other even if they are enemies.
Veharachan // March 28, 2009 5:31 AM
Fonzi: Panlop is now in Thaksin's pocket. He will be working to get amnesty bill
passed for Thaksin. Panlop is now Thaksin's extension in Thailand.
Rich // March 28, 2009 12:47 PM
What is true and what is not true is irrelevant.The only important thing is what
will be believed. I think Thaksin will be believed because what he says about
Prem is consistent with the facts as most people know them, is consistent with
the man and is consistent with the way Thais do things.If this is not the
beginning of the end game, it is starting to look very much like it. As much as
I dislike Thaksin, I do not subscribe to the view that he is finished. Not for
one moment. We should also consider the number of coups in Thailand
historically, and attribute this to the relationship between the military and
the Palace; note the military components of the Privy Council, and hope that
Thais decide that this way of doing things must come to an end.Rich
Roland // March 28, 2009 7:43 PM
To me Thaksin looks more desperate than ever, with all the frequent call-ins.
He's a very smart guy, but I wonder about his judgment. After this "outing" of
PC members, can he ever hope for an amnesty ? What is he aiming for, some kind
of revolution against the top institutions in Thailand ? Is he still seriously
thinking he can become a PM again ? As BP said some time ago, I think he's too
divisive. Maybe he could have hoped for an amnesty (but the May 5 date made that
whole thing look ridiculous), but now with this latest round it seems less
likely he'll achieve anything.
Netirat // March 29, 2009 1:06 AM
Truth is relevant, but perception is more important. During political upheaval,
people tend to believe what they want to believe. Thaksin knows this and he is
trying his utmost to win the hearts and minds of the gullible.
Netirat // March 29, 2009 6:57 AM
Matichon has an interview of Pee Malakul, the dinner host on the evening Thaksin
claimed to be the meeting to plot his ouster. Pee's account diametrically
contradicted Pallop's account. If Pee's version is correct, either Thaksin
fabricated the story or he was fooled by Pallop.I would love to put the two
judges on the stand and get their testimonies. They are not rank & file judges.
They are chief justice of the supreme court and chief justice of the supreme
administrative court. These two judges are not the kind of people a retired
general like Surayud would consult about staging a coup.
Ricefield radio // March 29, 2009 11:05 AM
I'm with Rich on this one. I don't think that Thaksin is finished either. He's a
bit bloody and has some bruises but he's not one to give up in the last half of
the fight.Who is believable. Prem has been involved in politics since at least
1959. Why would we believe he has given that up, his statements over time,
especially pre coupe, prove he has not.Thaksin has nothing to gain and a lot ot
lose if he implicated Prem and Surayud and the electorate fails to believe him.
BUT.... the unholy trio, who don't like each other for various reasons, all come
up with the same basic scenario and culprits. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Today Surayud
admitted that he DID HAVE a meeting with the judges. He also managed to spin the
rest of his rebuttal with statements like "MOST" of Thaksin's allegations
against him "were not based on fact" and he also stated he was not the "KEY"
plotter. Makes you read between the lines a bit and ask who was the key plotter,
it sure wasn't Thaksin, Panlop or Mr. PAD. Maybe his boss? Sometimes it's just
too obvious, you can not believe it could be true. If it smells like a dead fish
you don't necessarily have to see the corpse to know there is a stink in the
Occasional // March 29, 2009 3:41 PM
Rich totally agree that what is true and not is utterly irrelevent. Bioth sides
tell endless lies lies and reinvent history at the drop of a hat. It is only
about the dominat meme in the modern world aslong as that meme is truly dominant
in that itr angers, incites, calms or relaxes people. The question about Premand
Surayud etc is not whether they were involved but is about whether people care
or not and that is very different. Even though I suggested Thaksin'sreaction as
being explainable by him being down and out, I wouldnt exactly say I prescribe
to that view. For me the most interesting thing is watching a load of self
serving politcal elitists and opportunists plus one complete meglomaniac whose
PR appearances run straight from th Mussolini playbook who dont care about
anything except themsleves and whose politics is all well away from mine rip
each other to pieces as they try to claim the pie. What is the answer? An
election? OK but first under what set of rules and that is something nobody
wants to give an inch on..... It may be in the end that the country is so badly
divided by region - more so than class - that if anyone wants to get a
constituion through that will cause national reconcilliation rather than further
division that every region will have to be given veto power over the whole thing
(every region must passit or it falls). That would seriously force that lowly
thought of sector of Thai society known as politicians to actually think about
people rather than themselves for once, itwould also cause them to think about
areas where they werent liked which may also be good. At the end of the day it
is the people with power that has brought the country to this point and they are
the ones who must solve it instead of just thinking about themselves ettc as
usual. So there is little hope unlessof course one side does just collapse and
accept defeat or get defeated.
Reg // March 29, 2009 9:43 PM
So who is protecting Panlop? Must be someone in addition to the absent Thaksin.
Veharachan // March 30, 2009 12:46 AM
Ricefield Radio said...Thaksin has nothing to gain and a lot ot lose if he
implicated Prem and Surayud and the electorate fails to believe him."The truth
is Thaksin has lost a great deal (power, money, family stability and motherland
to call home) and he has all that he tries to regain. He will do anything.
PLease don't say that he has nothing to gain. Please open your eyes to see
things the way they are.
Ricefield radio // March 30, 2009 8:08 AM
Veharachan - Read my statement again. "Thaksin has nothing to gain and a lot ot
lose IF he implicated Prem and Surayud and the ELECTORATE FAILS to believe him."
I still stand by my statement that he has nothing to gain IF the ELECTORATE does
NOT believe him. While I know what you are saying I don't think you totally
understood the intent of my comment. Thaksin can only gain something if the
electorate BELIEVES him, what he has already lost is of no bearing.If I opened
my eyes and saw things the way they are, who do you think I'd see? Thaksin,
Mark, Pren, the judiciary, The Military, the PAD, the UDD or the lot of them.
Who would you see if you opened yours? :)
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