Re: To SCT censor Stefanie.

"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher.signature@xxxxxxxx> wrote
I really think that you should review your legal code.
Firstly, what "legislation" does Usenet have?
Secondly, what "legislation" does Larb's provider have?
Thirdly, what "legislation" does the country that Larb is located in
have?

Ok, I will try to explain you again. Like most of the people on the
Internet, you use the structure and you imagine how things should be in yout
point of you, but you have no idea how they work.

Let's do it again.

1/ Newsgroup: soc.culture.thai is part of an old organisation called Usenet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET . This organisation organise the way
groups are created or deleted. More preciseley, this newsgroup is inside the
"culture" hierarchy, which is inside the "soc" hierarchy. groups inside the
"alt" heirarchy don't belong to Usenet, as some other exceptions. But
soc.culture.thai is part of Usenet. Usenent is organised inside nine
hierarchies: comp.* , humanities.* , misc.* , news.* , rec.* , sci.* , soc.*
, talk.* . If you post on soc.culture.thai, you are inside the soc.* part
so you must agree on the rules definied by Usenet.

These rules are called Netiquette: there can be more than one, as there are
other organisations than Usenent. But they all have on common specifities to
avoid flameware, spam, respect of privacy , and of course anything not
legal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html

So to make it short, newsgroup are not a place with no rulez where anonymous
cowboys can do what they want. They are rules, and they are made to protect
privacy and individual liberties. Racism, insults, family names in header,
private emails in text messages, all these things you and your friend find
natural to do are not allowed. Anybody with a normal brain and a bit of
human conscience could understand this very obviously. Unfortunately, as
human cretinism can be without limits, we had to write these obvious rules
to protect the users and their liberty. And as there nothing more idiotic
than a cretinistic flame poisonous lover, sometimes we even have to apply
these rules and to ask for sanctions: ban from usenet, and block the
capacity of a user to use the platform.

You should take care of this part. Because for what I see, you absolutely
don't know where you are and how it works, and it can put you in troubles.

For my side, I am a "dino". That means I am on usenet for years (more than
10 years), I know the hierarechies, and the procedures to create a
newsgroup, manage, delete and moderate a newsgroup. This is a side I know
and i can tell you one more time: YES, there are rules on Usenet, and NO,
insults, racism and personal attacks against privacy are NOT permitted.

2/ You provider: when you use your Internet acess, you do it via your
provider infrastructures. In your contract, there is an agrement. You are
supposed to respect this agreement. Inside your agreements, there points in
common all over the planet like prohibition about anything related to:
terrorism, call to hatred, racism, discrimination, xenophobia, and more
generally, anything against the law of the country where your provider is.

This comes because for a part, your provider can be responsible of what is
done on the internet via his infrastructure and nis network.

It means your provider is in charge to make these rules respected. In case
of complain, your Internet provider has an obligation to check yoru good
behaviour and good usages and can terminate your contract or even sue you
for non contract respect.

One more time, Internet is not a place of non laws, where anybody can do
what they want. It is not a place where the only laws are from the biggest
mouth. You agreed a contract with your provider. You have to respect it. And
in this contract again, insults, racism, call to hatred, slanders, and non
respect of privacy.

This doesn't come from me, it comes from your provider.

Notice: in the modern world (and in Germany especially), all your connection
details are archived for a time between 30 days to 3 months. You may think
you are anonymous on the internet: you are not. It is possible to start from
a mnessage on a newsgroup, and to follow the line until your personal
computer and your private identity. This has big importance for the point 3.

3/ Internet

Internet is not a non rules zone. In several countries, court decided to
consider Internet as a public space and to apply their current law to
internet users under their juridiction. It means for example, as you post
from Germany, you are supposed to respect the German law. It means the
Internet is not a private space where "something" or "somebody" could decide
everything is permitted and it is total anarchy. It is not. You are under
the law of the country where you are located.

I presume German laws don't allow public insults, racism, call to hatred,
muckraking and all these things thatt you and your friend seem to find so
delightfull. You can't insult sombody on the internet, try to voluntary dirt
his image, and to make propaganda of forbiddent things like racism and call
to hatred. Errr, infact maybe you can _try_, and a lot of non educated and
ignorant savages do it today on the network. But it is possible to complain
against them and to prosecute them, and unfortunately, they all loose their
access and have civil penalties.

It is possible to prosecute an offender at this level as well, and if there
is a real prejudice, damages and interests can be considered.

For all this, there is a central point as well: nobody is supposed to ignore
the law.



I ask because you are the one making threats of legal action and
unless there are actually laws concerning the threats you are making
it is possible that you can be charged with harassment or perhaps
stalking. To threaten with legal action when no law has been
transgressed is actionable in many locations. Perhaps Larb has a case
against you.

I hope everything is more clear for you now.

You two are going to stop your constant anti racism French, and your direct
reactions to me and my real name. I won't give up on these points, I have a
strong historic on Internet and Unsemnent usage, I am as well an IT
profesionnal and obviously I know the rules better than you.

For now the points are clear and obvious and for both of you, you can't say
anymore you are not warned or you don't know the subject.

I started with your newsgroup connection platform: because you reacted in
more provocation, I followed to your Iternet provider access. If you don't
stop before 7 days, I will go ahead with your civil and penal laws. I am on
my right and you are not, and I already can complain for strong prejudice
made inside posts destinated to stay for years in the Internet. You can't
put yourself behind a desk, choose a pseudo, give a false email address, and
start being an offender and a lout on the Internet without consequences. You
CAN'T just decide yourself what is allowed or not and to write what you
wrote here. You are NOT anonymous. THERE ARE rules and principles here. And
they apply 1/ in Usenet 2/ In your provider TOS 3 / in your local civil and
penal laws.

So today you two are the bad guys.

Sorry to wake up you guys, but you will have to follow the line like
everybody and to stop your local terrorism against me and the French people.
For my side, there will be no negociation on this point and I will enjoy my
teaching time to both of you if you persist.

Stef


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