Re: Another coup?

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:04:49 +1100, hel <hstamm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Ang Moh <angmoh1@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Oct 27, 3:38 pm, hel <hst...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:10:28 -0700 (PDT), Ang Moh <angm...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



On Oct 25, 3:18 pm, hel <hst...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:51:26 -0400, "maxwell" <mmmaxw...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

hel wrote:
Chris Blunt wrote:
hel  wrote:
Coup fears are rife and some believe it is just a matter of time before the tanks are again
on Bangkok streets.
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If there is another coup, I hope the military will not be in such a rush to hand the country
back to civilian rule this time. The country
is obviously not yet ready to handle democracy, and it just gets abused by those with money.
The Americans should keep their noses out
of it this time and not pressure the generals to hold elections again too soon like they did
before. If only the military can keep their hands out of the cash register and run the country
firmly for a few years until things stabilise it would be the best thing that could happen to
Thailand. They should work closely with the King and let it be clearly seen that His Majesty is
a guiding force in the way they govern, so as to maintain the support of the people.
Chris

Hi Chris,
I understand your point and your concern as Thailand is in a terrible mess.

At seems the PAD sabotages any possible good will, of any possible government, which would
make an effort to govern the country and unite the people.

That's almost funny. Almost.
Tell me, do you honestly believe PPP wasn't sabotaging good will by way of extensive electoral
corruption, or by campaigning as a friend to the poor, and then 'right out of the gate' acting
in service of vested interests of the rich, or by flagrantly acting as a proxy for an ex-PM
who'd been banned from politics and is now a wanted fugitive from Thai justice?

Unfortunately, history has shown that the military are not capable to manage the country and
where never shy to put there hands deep in the till.
Not deeper tough then any previous government, if this is possible.
This is understood and somehow accepted by the general public.
What is not accepted is the harassment and the attempted control the peoples opinions
especially in the north and north east.

You consider PAD not to be people? I'm rather confident that you're intentionally blind to the
violent attacks upon PAD rallies upcountry.

A return to a (partial) monarchy?

I prefer not go in more details as I believe only Thais can make comments and decisions in
this regard.

I don't see that you've spared many details ;~)

Regards
Helmut

Cheers,
-maxwell

Hi Maxwell,

I almost thought you would have gained some knowledge, during your
vacations in Thailand, how Thais are feeling and interacting towards
there representatives, governments and any political leader or
parties.

Almost!

1.      Electoral corruption was and is committed by any party at any
election.
2.      Thaksin is seen (for right or wrong) by a majority of Thais as
the only leader who has looked behind the boundary of Bangkok.
3.      I, (and most properly you as well) have no knowledge or proof
about the influence of Thaksin to the previous and present government
and I like to think Thaksin becomes increasingly a liability to the
government.
4.      Violent attacks are (regrettable) committed from both sides;
or should I say from all sides?

Maxwell, you have not presented any details beside the normal PAD
propaganda ;~)

But then again, I don't hold you responsible for this, as you, so at
seems, do not comprehend that PAD is a minority group, leaded by a man
how is riding the tiger for to long and supported (still, but for how
long) by forces which have not the welfare of the (common) Khun Thai
in mind.

Regards
Helmut

And just whom do you try to convince with your rant?
Somchai is a brother in law of the famous criminal Thaksin, of course
that means nothing to you! Our criminal Thaksin had one good thing -
when he stole billions he gave a hand-full of the stolen baht to the
farmers.

That is all.

Thaksin is a criminal and even the current PM has been in cases of
neglect - so? As long as the criminals pay Isarn all is ok?

I have some difficulties with you logic.

Let's assume Thaksin is a criminal why is his brother in law a
criminal as well?

In most countries, everyone is assumed not guilty until proven
otherwise and yes, in Hitler Germany there was "sippenhaft" which mad
you automatically guilty by being related to the convict.

Is this what you want to see in Thailand?

Regards
Helmut

It is I that has difficulties with your logic, as:

1) Thaksin had his days in court - got penalized with 2 years - has
jumped bail and is a fugitive now. Where does your "assuming" come
from?
He, Thaksin, is a CRIMINAL now - and not an "ASSUMED" one..

2) It is a fact that Somchai got severely reprimanded for neglect (in
a large bribing case), so are your words only apologies for them or
are you still believing that only you have a monopoly on news in
Thailand?

So: you want to make this abuse of Thai Law unhappen, by blaming
"sippenhaft"?

What you do is done by the traditional PPP apologists - nothing else.



Hi Ang Moh,,

Why my opinion automatically has, or creates a monopoly (for me)on
news in Thailand?

As mentioned many times before, Thaksin is his own enemy in so many
ways but, in my view, hi has not received a fair judgment simply
because in the present (Thai) situation everything is possible on
Thailand's Courts.

Even a conviction for TV cooking!

To elect Somchai as PM was politically stupid in the first place but
his relation to Thaksin should not reflect on his integrity.

Somchai has no conviction (yet), but as brother in law of Thaksin,
that will be only a question of time.

Regards
Helmut

Helmet, I believe that your English comprehension needs a boost.

Samak's conviction was not for TV cooking, it was for taking a paying
job when he was prime minister which has been against the Thai law for
years (and probably in Germany also).

Somchai has been judged to have been guilty of not prosecuting an
individual who was engaged in fraud....while he was under secretary of
justice, a dereliction of duty which would have resulted in expulsion
from politics in your country.

I could go on but I suggest a course in reading the newspapers,
listening to the news and (God forbid) even talking to a Thai once in
a while would be a vast help in understanding what is going on in
Thailand.

.

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