Re: The inevitable result of PAD's actions?

Tchiowa wrote:
On Sep 6, 8:14 pm, "maxwell" <mmmaxw...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:
I have no doubt that a civil war in Thailand would be equally
disastrous. PAD doesn't seem to care.

As ever, the malevolent 'tchiowan' presumptions, of civil war and upon
PAD.

Supporting democracy

rather, presuming a civil war will result

and opposing a would-be dictator

while another would-be dictator takes it on the lam in London

who is trying to overthrow an elected government with violence and
intimidation

that's your spin

is "malevolent" in your mind?

uh-huh. you've already shown plenty of intentional ignorance toward violence
directed against the PAD demonstrators by PPP/TRT partisans, with all the
blithe dismissiveness of Samak's fairy tale of that bloody day at Thammasat,
and here again call PAD's peaceful assemblies 'the cause of violence,' much
in the manner of your having called the coup 'at the point of a gun'

Not surprising.

Look in the mirror.

<q> Public opinion regarding the government's Emergency Decree is split
almost down the middle for and against the imposed on the Thai capital early
Tuesday by Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej following a
clash between the pro- and anti-government demonstrators leaving one dead
and 43 injured.

BTW, you were wrong about who died. It was a UDD supporter who was killed.
By the non-violent PAD.

In the course of an attack on the PAD rally, the UDD supporter was beaten
and died. I know you figure PAD should have stood there and not defended
themselves, or just run away, but fact is that violence begets violence.
<q>''During the demonstration at Sanam Luang, one leader on stage ordered
supporters to stand up and walk ahead to Makkhawan Rangsan bridge [where PAD
supporters were on guard]. Most grabbed wooden sticks or metal clubs they
found scattered around them,'' he said. He conceded many UDD members were
taken from upcountry and they could easily be roused for a fight. ''I'm
sorry that someone died under my training despite the fact that I did not
lead them into it. The one who died is deputy chief of staff [in the UDD
guard forces]. I appointed him,'' said Maj-Gen Khattiya. (Army specialist
Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, known as Seh Daeng, recently claimed he is a
fighting and tactics trainer to the pro-government United Front of Democracy
Against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters.) </q>
. . from Bangkok Post, 7 September.
In a survey conducted by Assumption University's ABAC Poll of 3,083
people in 16 provinces nationwide, slightly over half of the respondents --
50.8 per cent -- agreed with the imposition of the
Emergency Decree, believing it could end the ongoing political turmoil,
while 49.2 per cent disagreed and said the government must take
responsibility as the violence would worsen the national
economy.

What does that have to do with anything? The people don't like the
emergency decree.

50.8% agreed with the decree='the people don't like the decree' ? WTF?

You don't need a poll to know that. But it has nothing to do with the core
question of whether or not PAD represents anyone or whether or not the
people support the actions of PAD.

By your decree, of course.

They don't. Both questions.

<snip>

While the question set should have included more choices, and this
article seen in the Bangkok Post neglected to include reporting that 67.2%
would view a military coup as a negative development,

So do you still say that PAD represents Thailand?

Nope. I never said PAD represents Thailand, so spare me the 'do you still?'
presumption. (not that you will, of course --but that's you)

Currently, they're far more of a 'necessary evil' than a representative
body.

After all, PAD has been trying to get the military to stage a coup since
this started.
They gave specific criteria that would be necessary before a coup took
place and then said that all of those criteria had been met.

Anupong is as dismissive of that over-the-top notion as of demands that the
PAD demonstrators be cleared by force.



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