Re: Hotel recommendation


"Noi" <tawee3@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Flash99 wrote:
>> "Noi" <tawee3@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > Flash99 wrote:
>> >> "Noi" <tawee3@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >> > Flash99 wrote:
>> >> >> "Tim" <sct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:onojk1pdvqirmmgckoqghjkppmp2540qho@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > On 9 Oct 2005 19:41:33 -0700, "Sandy Cruden"
>> >> >> > <scruden@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>As I'm sure you know, Mia noi's are very common in LoS but they
>> >> >> >>are
>> >> >> >>also the cause of a lot of serious problems within families, they
>> >> >> >>can
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Just joking about a mia noi brings a torrent of rapid fire
>> >> >> > unintelligible Thai down on me and frankly I think I am better
>> >> >> > off
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > understanding it. I do however catch the odd English word thrown
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > such as cut and references to things that should never be uttered
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the same breath as the word "cut". :-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The funny thing is my only reasoning for mentioning a mia noi is
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > The Lady will have someone to help around the house, honestly. I
>> >> >> > get
>> >> >> > no gratitude what-so-ever for my offered sacrifice. ;-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Tim
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's NOT what I hear from my wife.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I never raise the subject, but on the occasion when she notices me
>> >> >> admiring
>> >> >> a young lady on the street or at the beach, she talks about setting
>> >> >> up
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> "little wife". I don't get it, honestly. We have a healthy,
>> >> >> active
>> >> >> sex
>> >> >> life and I am NOT unhappy in our marriage in ANY way. I think she
>> >> >> envisions
>> >> >> an empty-headed young girl whom she finds non-threatening to the
>> >> >> marriage.
>> >> >> Most Thai women (including my wife, who enjoys our sex by all
>> >> >> indications)
>> >> >> view marital sex as a "duty" side-by-side with cooking & cleaning.
>> >> >> So,
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> long as SHE controls it, it seems to land in the same status domain
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> having a maid (which we will also have once we're moved). Maybe,
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> suggest, the two functions can be combined.... :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > How sad that your view about Thai women as nothing more than a house
>> >> > maid and someone to satisfy in the bed. It's even worse that your
>> >> > wife went along with your notion! I wonder, will she putting up
>> >> > with
>> >> > your womanizer behavior, if she's financially independent from you?
>> >> >
>> >> > Noi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> S
>> >> >
>> >> My wife is neither a maid nor a sex toy. She is beautiful, and fun in
>> >> the
>> >> sack, and a good mother and home maker. As far as I know,
>> >> appreciating
>> >> those things is not a criminal act. And it isn't "sad" either.
>> >>
>> >> We have been married for five years and she is my friend, lover,
>> >> companion,
>> >> confidant, financial partner, and an integral and equal partner in our
>> >> life's journey together in every way. We have a four-year old son
>> >> from
>> >> our
>> >> marriage, and we have her 12-year-old twin girls here with us from her
>> >> previous marriage, whom I love and cherish as my own.
>> >>
>> >> I helped her get her green card, and financed her in getting her own
>> >> business started. She is in a position, financially and legally, to
>> >> live
>> >> independent of me any time she chooses to. But for some reason, she
>> >> seems
>> >> to like me, and hangs around even though she doesn't have to.
>> >>
>> >> If she learned of this affair, she would be hurt, but I think we'd get
>> >> through it like any other couple would, because the foundation of our
>> >> relationship is stronger than my occasional foolish action. Or hers,
>> >> for
>> >> that matter.
>> >>
>> >> The mia noi thing, when it comes up, is always raised by her. I have
>> >> always
>> >> told her that I don't need anyone but her in that way.
>> >>
>> >> Now, as it happens, I've gotten involved in an affair. The first
>> >> since I
>> >> met my wife. It was an accident, not instigated by me, but
>> >> nevertheless
>> >> I
>> >> take responsibility. I'm an adult and had the option to say "no."
>> >> I'm
>> >> not
>> >> proud of it, but neither do I feel any need to explain, or apologize,
>> >> or
>> >> justify it to anybody in this group. Especially those who feel they
>> >> are
>> >> morally superior, and therefore entitled to pass judgment on us poor
>> >> benighted soul-blighted clods who are unworthy even to speak in their
>> >> presence. You know, people like you.
>> >>
>> >> Let me see if I can find a more succinct way to respond to your
>> >> generous
>> >> assessment of my character. Ummmm....wait a minute...I have it.
>> >>
>> >> *** you.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, yes, just the phrase I was groping for.
>> >
>> > My respose to your previous post was responding to your precise comment
>> > --
>> > "Most Thai women (including my wife, who enjoys our sex by all
>> > indications) view marital sex as a "duty" side-by-side with cooking &
>> > cleaning."
>> > Which by all indications was a description that I summed as "house
>> > maid" and I wrote as a Thai woman who never see those things as duty to
>> > my husband, but a pleasure--something that we enjoy together.
>> >
>> > As to your last comment, I think it says a lot more about you than
>> > about anything else.
>> >
>> > khum pood bok san chad marayad bok sakul!
>> >
>>
>> Sorry, Noi - I failed to notice your gender (I should have noticed....I
>> have
>> a sister-in-law named Noi), or I would have responded with less
>> hostility.
>> And I certainly would have left out the final shot.
>>
>> I thought you were a man attempting to speak for Thai women.
>>
>> OTOH, I am a farang man, speaking about what I personally see and hear.
>> Totally subjective.
>>
>> That doesn't change the fact that my wife DOES see things that way, can't
>> seem to be persuaded otherwise, and both her words and my observations
>> seem
>> to bear it out. But my experience is almost exclusively with rural,
>> conservative, traditional families. "Most" does not mean "All," and
>> clearly
>> this does not apply to you. My remarks apply to my wife, her five
>> sisters,
>> and the friends and family they connect to.
>>
>> Neither of us can speak for all of Thai womanhood.
>>
>> So, for me to say that the "duty" thing applies to "most Thai women" is
>> unfair. I should have said "most Thai women that I know through my Isaan
>> family."
>>
>> Does that clear it up? I didn't want to pick a fight....I thought you
>> were.
>> I was mistaken, and I behaved badly, . I really am sorry for reacting so
>> boorishly.
>
> Fair enough, apology accepted.
>
> Noi

Thank you, Noi.

Life is too short to make enemies of those who can educate and enrich our
understanding. I really do appreciate your remarks here, and will take them
to heart.


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