Not approved in SCT (about Thai hookers)
- From: "verifiable_truth" <stananger_1@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:37:24 +0700
<Tester_Is_Back@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| It was just over 5 years ago that a discussion here focused on the
| alleged rape of a Pattaya bargirl by several U.S. sailors participating
| in Cobra Gold. A lot of speculation and rope being strung
| simultaneously. This is the first message in the 135-message
| In Fridays Militay Newspaper "Stars and stripes", The report was about
| sailors off the USS Kitty Hawk. One went and paid her bar fine, Then
| brought her back to the room where 4 others lay in wait. She saw yhe
| and tried to get away. The overpowered her (of course) and each of
| sodemized her. SHe got away (they let her go), and she went to the
| the cops went to the hotel and got his name off the hotel registration,
| arrested the 5. They were then turned over to the Navy with an
| understanding that they would be returned back to the thai authorities,
| wednesday, they were not turned over, all this took place on Tuesday!
| (You can search google for "Rape in Pattaya" and find the entire
| Anyway, I filed a Freedom of Information Act request some time later,
| hoping to get better information as to what transpired.. After more
| than a year, I got what I thought was a "kiss-off" letter from the
| U.S. Navy, indicating that the material I requested could not be
| released. The letter indicated that I could appeal that determination.
| Then, a TWA plane went down near Long Island and "9/11" took
| place. It was apparent that the Navy's FOI office would be inundated
| and that Tester's request would not be very high on the Navy's
| priority list. I finally let the matter drop.
| Well, friends, guess what. I go to my P.O. Box yesterday and what do I
| find? I find a THICK envelope from the U.S. Navy. Inside are 191
| pages of documents relating to the alleged rape !!! I haven't had
| time to read every one in their entirety. But several things were
| quite clear:
| 1. The investigation was instigated by the Navy when a Pattaya bar
| owner mentioned the alleged incident to a USMC patrol officer who was
| in Walking Street shortly after the girl returned from the hotel after
| the incident. The patrol officer promptly notified the Kitty Hawk NIS
| investigative agent who was also in the area. The NIS agent
| interviewed the alleged victim and asked her if she would be willing to
| file a complaint with the Thai police. The alleged victim did and 5
| Navy investigators and Thai police (together) went to the hotel where
| the crime was said to have taken place. The Thai police agreed to
| allow the Navy investigate.
| 2. By all accounts, the 5 investigators did a superb job. They
| immediately (at 0230) began conducting interviews of all known and
| potential witnesses and suspects. They video-taped the "crime
| scene"; took photos of the room; gathered registration info from the
| hotel; took clothing from the victim; sheets and linens from the hotel
| room; fingerprints from the room. They were quite professional. DNA
| tests were run on all items of potential evidentiary value.
| (Interesting, but not surprising, the girl's panties had DNA in semen
| that didn't come from any of the suspects.)
| 3. The victim noted that she had negotiated LT with a single sailor for
| 1500 baht.
| 4. The sailors initially said that they did not photograph or video
| tape their activities with the girl. They later admitted that they
| did, but said that the tape had been recorded over intentionally, as
| the owner of the camera was afraid because of the allegation of rape.
| (Of course, a video record could have, in fact, exonerated him if that
| was the case.)
| 5. The investigation, including conducting DNA tests and reinterviewing
| took about six months.
| 6. The courts martial proceedings resulted in $500 fines being imposed
| on two suspects based on false statements made to investigators. There
| was no physical evidence that could be tied to other suspects. The
| report said that there was no physical evidence of rape.
| After reading very complete and very graphic statements made by the
| alleged victim and the suspects, I've formed a few opinions. The
| girl's statements did not always coincide with the physical evidence
| (sometimes in pertinence). The Navy guys obviously lied about aspects
| of their activities with the girl. The girl admitted that she wanted
| 1000 baht from each of the guys since she serviced 5; when they
| refused, she left with an amount of money which differs depending on
| who you believe. So, I maybe the question is: was it rape or sex
| without paying?
| I may scan some pages and attach them to a later post (if there is
| enough interest and I have the time.) I'm not about to scan and post
| all 191 pages though. If somebody wants actual copies of what was sent
| to me, email me and maybe we can arrange something. But I ain't
| gonna pay for copies/shipping...that will be up to the requester! Be
| aware that ALL names of individuals have been redacted.
| Those who agree with me may not always be right, but I admire their
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