Re: THE FOUNDER OF CHRISTIANITY

How do you know that what you read was the exactly
copy of the original and how do you know that
originally there were Hebrew prophets and 40 of
them fasted?


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On Oct 7, 11:23 am, "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mot...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
When Israel was created Jews were not created.
So when Israel is dissolved Jews will not be killed.
The creation of Israel is a Crime Against Humanity.
The creation of Israel created wars.
The dissolution of Israel will end those wars.
The dissolution of Israel is administration of JUSTICE!

So calling for the wiping of Israel off the map is not the call to kill Jews
but a call to dissolve Israel and end wars! Jews can continue to live on
the land. Only thing is that they cannot rule!

Palestine is not Israel! Zionists should return those lands they stole!
People may say that Palestinians are racists for fighting Zionists!
However one need to ask who is the racists here. Britain stole
Arab lands and give them away to Zionists to create a Zionist religious State.
Is that not RACISM? Is that not Religious Eugenics and Purification?
Did not Zionists kill and harass and persecute Palestinians?
So who is the Racists here? Definitely Britain and Zionists!
Palestine is not Israel! Zionists should return those lands they stole!

ALLAH HU AKBAR

The Hebrews and Palestinians are immigrants and the original
inhabitants of Palestine are of another race. Therefore the
Jewish claim to exclusive ownership of the lands is not
valid. If one were to claim that the original inhabitants had
converted to Judaism then one could also claim that the original
inhabitants converted to practises that let to Islam.

Historically the jews were expelled from their homes by the romans
and it were the persian conquerors that allowed jews back into
their ancestoral lands. Jews owe Iran historical debts. However
Zionists have no values and they would not honour Iran's past
good deads to jews.

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This guy who seek to use Tagiya or Telling Lies to spread slanders.My
rebuttals
in bold letters.
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Did Jesus or his Apostles follow a religion called Christianity? Who
were the first 'Christians' ? Who founded Christianity and do the
teachings of Christianity conform to the teachings of Jesus?

The mission of Jesus.

In 721 B.C.E the Jewish kingdom of Israel faced defeat at the hands of
the Assyrians. Scattered abroad with their Temple destroyed, the Jews
turned their focus onto the Law. Monotheism was once again lost, but
this time in an ever increasing maze of elaborate rites and rituals.

It was this situation that was present in the world when Jesus
received his calling from God. Upon beginning his ministry at the
approximate age of 30, Jesus made it clear that his mission from God
was to get the Jews back on track:

"For the son of man is come to save that which was lost." (Matthew
18:11)

"For I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of
Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus also made it clear just what God wanted him to do :
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He
gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak" (John 12:49)

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am
not come to destroy but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17)

A careful study of Jesus' words will show that, contrary to what
Christians may think, Jesus had no intention of starting a new
religion; he only came to reiterate the message that God had given to
all prophets before him: man was to obey God's Laws and worship Him
alone.
(((YOU ARE PURE NONSENSE.A CAREFUL STUDY WILL SHOW THE TRUE MISSION JESUS
CAME HERE FOR.

YOU ONLY QUOTED HALF OF WHAT WAS THE ENTIRE CONTEXTUAL,OVERALL MISSION JESUS
CAME HERE FOR.ANY CASUAL READER FROM THE BIBLE,WHICH YOU HAVE ERRONEOUSLY
QUOTED,WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE MISSION JESUS CAME HERE FOR.

THE VERY REASON THAT YOU ANY-O-HOW INTERPRET THE MEANING,IT IS NOT A MERE
LACK OF UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE,BUT A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO USE
DISTORTIONS.

At no time during his ministry did Jesus claim to be anything more
than a human being, inspired by God. Indeed, he referred to himself as
the son of man, and made it clear, in a number of verses throughout
the Gospel, that he was merely a Messenger of God

((AT MOST TIME JESUS CLAIMED TO BE GOD,AND ALSO CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF
MAN,WHICH MEAN HE WAS ALSO HUMAN.THE WAY YOU USES DISTORTION SPOKE VOLUMES
OF YOUR SILLY RELIGION.))

Was Jesus' Mission a success?

JESUS MISSION WAS A SUCCESS.YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS THE HEART OF THE
CHRISTIAN FAITH,THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCTRINES,THAT IS ABOVE ALL DOCTRINES?
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.

JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS,ROSE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD ON THIRD DAY
AND HE WILL COME AGAIN
HIS MISSION WAS A SUCCESS.

"Why callest thou me good? There is none good but One, that is
God." (Mark 10:18)

"...whosoever receives me, receives not me, but Him who sent
me." (Mark 9:37)

"And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true
God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou has sent." (John 17:3)

"Now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I
have heard from God." (John 8:40)

"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, my God and your God." (John
20:17)

Despite all his efforts--wonderful words backed up with some pretty
nifty miracles--Jesus was soundly rejected, especially by his own
people.

JESUS WAS NOT ONLY REJECTED BY SOME OF HIS OWN PEOPLE,BUT SOME OF HIS PEOPLE
CRUCIFIED HIM ON THE CROSS.WE NEED NOT YOU TO USE SILLY,AND CYNICAL WORDS TO
ILLUSTRATE HIS MISSIONS.

JESUS SOLE MISSION IS TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM OUR SINS AND HELL-FIRES,AND NOT
MERELY ESTABLISHING AN EARTHLY KINGDOM,WHICH MANY THOUGHT HIM TO BE.

Three years after he began his ministry, he was arrested and charged
with sedition and blasphemy. Success had eluded him, at the end of his
life on earth; he left behind only a mere handful of followers, not
more than 500 at most.

YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE MOST CRUCIAL AND MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF
CHRISTIANITY,AND THAT DISQUALIFY YOU FROM ALL COMMENTS ALREADY.

JESUS IS GOD,THE SON OF GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.SINCE YOU QUOTED SO
MUCH OF THE BIBLE VERSES,THEN I SUPPOSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO USE THE BIBLE AS
REFERENCE FOR YOUR ARTICLES.

JESUS WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND HE IS GOD,AND YET HE HUMBLED HIMSELF
AND CAME TO THIS EARTH,AND LIVE AMONG HIS OWN CREATURES.THIS IS WHAT THE
BIBLE SAYS ABOUT JESUS TOO.

GOD SPOKE TO HIM AND SAY ABOUT HIM,"GOD,YOUR ENDLESS BEGINNING AND ENDLESS
ENDING,FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY YOU EXISTED.YOUR KINGDOM IS WITHOUT END.

OH GOD,THY THRONE ARE EVERLASTING.

DOES THAT NOT BLOW YOUR MINDS A BILLION TIMES OVER?

The True Founder of Christianity

UNLESS YOU ARE TRULY DUMB IDIOT,ANYONE WHO READ GOD'S WORDS,IS CONVINCE THAT
JESUS IS THE FOUNDER.HOW CAN SOMEONE WHO BEGINS THE TEACHINGS AND STARTED
OFF THE FAITH,THE RELIGION CANNOT BE REGARDED AS THE FOUNDER?HOW STUPID YOU
CAN YOU BE?

Approximately five years after Jesus' ascension into heaven, A twenty-
five-year old zealot was on his way to Damascus to pick up a group of
Nazarenes (The followers of Jesus called themselves as Nazarenes) for
return to Jerusalem when he had a vision in which he claimed Jesus
appeared, asking why Saul was persecuting him. Saul changed his name
to Paul and went off into the deserts of Arabia in order to think
about just how he was going to go about carrying out what he believed
to be a command from Jesus to go out and preach.

Exactly WHAT to do was quite a dilemma for him, however; since the
Jews had rejected Jesus and his message, Paul didn't think he stood
much of chance of getting through to them, either. He made up his mind
that it would be best to simply dismiss them off and target the
Gentiles (non-Jews) instead.

The Romans and the Greeks, who made up the Gentile population of
Paul's world, were pagans who worshiped a plethora of gods and
goddesses. Temples and statues of their deities abounded in the land,
and Roman law had it that all people, with the exception of the Jews,
must pay homage to the gods.

Paul knew that people with such deep-reaching pagan beliefs were not
going to accept the idea that grace and salvation could come from a
person who was only considered to be a most upright and righteous
human being. If Paul wanted quick results in his ministry, he knew
that he would have to "modulate" things a bit, taking into account the
culture of the Gentiles.

Paul Maier, in his book "First Christians", tells us that thirteen
years elapsed between the time Paul "received his calling" and the
time that he began preaching. During that thirteen years, Paul's
creative mind put in a lot of overtime; when he finally returned to
Damascus, he came back armed with the knowledge that the Gentiles
would demand a tangible god within their new religion, and he was
prepared to give this to them.

Paul was wildly successful in his subsequent missionary efforts, what
with the accommodations he ended up making for the Gentiles. Although
the religion of Christianity takes its name from Jesus Christ, Paul of
Tarsus must be considered as its true founder, as he is the one who
conceived all of its doctrines, and set up its churches throughout the
world of his time. Christians don't deny this, either: "No figure in
Christian history stands so tall or has had such a tremendous
influence as has Saul of Tarsus..."

In his book "The 100: A Ranking of the most Influential Persons In
History", author Michael Hart concurs in saying:

"No other man played so large a role in the propagation of
Christianity."

There is one big problem with this picture, however: The teachings of
Paul, the true founder of Christianity, cannot be found anywhere in
the teachings of Jesus or in those of prophets before him.

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Dear all Muslims,
Be wise and know that Ramadan is false fast because
the Quran has not the listing of all the Hebrew prophets
that fasted 40 days and nights like Elijah, Moses and Jesus.
Hence you, Muslims, believe Mohammed's teaching about
Ramadan without verify the sayings of Mohammed whose
Allah is disguised by Satan to deceive Muslims to fast
a day of 12 hours only..

Satan is a murderer and a liar. Satan is mentioned
as the devil in the Bible of the book of John 8:44 reading:
"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer
from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he(Satan) speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it(lies).
Hence, John 8:44 of the Holy Bible explains why
Islamists not not murder the innocents but they also murder
their own Muslim brothers and sisters including the other
Islamic sects; and that all Muslims tell lies when propagating
Islam!

Satan's false prophet- Mohammed lied and lied as follows:
Ramadan was created by the false prophet, Mohammed,
who copied errroneously from the sayings of the Christians
and hence it explains why a day's fast is only of 12 hours
when we all know a day is of 24 hours.
Mohammed lied that a day's fast is only 12 hours
when a day is of 24 hours. No other religion tells its
believers to consider a day's fast is of 12 hours as these
priests were/are educated and thus know that a day is
of 24 hours and not 12 hours, BUT MOHAMMED WAS
UNEDUCATED AND HENCE MOHAMMED
ERRONEOUSLY THINK A DAY AS DAYLIGHT OF 12
HOURS BEING ILLITERATE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
SO. The True Allah, if He had indeed sent Mohammed
as the last messenger, the True Allah would have told
Mohammed a day's fast is of 24 hours, right?
Hence, Ramadan is not a 30 days' fast.

Islam is full of lies because Mohammed lied and
lied; for the sayings of Mohammed's have been verified
as falsehood and substantiated as falsehood
by the following facts:
1]. Mohammed lied that Allah sent him as
the last messenger, BUT MOHAMMED DID
NOT HAVE THE 4 EYE-WITNESSES REQUIRED
IN SURA 24:13 TO SUBSTANTIATE HIS SAYINGS
AS TRUE; and Allah call Mohammed A LIAR;

2]. Mohammed also lied that Allah has given
the Muslims, the COVENANT OF ABRAHAM AND
ISMAIL. A covenant is an agreement between God
and its believers AND THE AGREEMENT MUST
HAVE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, but the Islamic
Covenant of Abraham and Ismail is EMPTY
(without terms and conditions) that is without
the laws of God namely the laws of Moses.
Hence, Islam without the Law of God of which is
THE LAWS OF MOSES OF THE 6TH COMMANDMENT
OF THE TRUE ALLAH "Thou shall not MURDER" causes
the Islamic world havoc through THE KILLINGS OF
MUSLIMS BY MUSLIMS in Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine,
lebanon, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia;
AND THE KILLINGS OF THE "INFIDELS"
WHEN BURNING AND BOMBING CHURCHES
were/are committed by Islamic terrorists.
AND for such sins, The TRUE ALLAH is punishing the
such Islamic countries that do not condemn the evil acts
of these Islamists by sending Tsunami and earthquake
after earthquake affecting Islamic countries:Pakistan,
Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan, and Indonesia
of which death toll is accounted Muslims alone as 90
percent of the dead;

3]. Mohammed also lied that he was an Arab
as well as a Hebrew. How could Mohammed have
2 different Fathers to enable him to be an Arab
as well as a Hebrew being the descendant of Ismail?
MOREOVER, THE FATHER OF ALL ARABS IS
QAHTAN
and
THE FATHER OF ALL HEBREWS/ISRAELITES IS
ABRAHAM!!!
4]. Mohammed also lied that a day's fast is only 12 hours
when a day is of 24 hours. No other religion tells its
believers to consider a day's fast is of 12 hours as these
priests were/are educated and thus know that a day is
of 24 hours and not 12 hours, BUT MOHAMMED WAS
UNEDUCATED AND HENCE MOHAMMED
ERRONEOUSLY THINK A DAY AS DAYLIGHT OF 12
HOURS BEING ILLITERATE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
SO. The True Allah, if He had indeed sent Mohammed
as the last messenger, the True Allah would have told
Mohammed a day's fast is of 24 hours, right?

5]. Mohammed lied that he split the moon into 2. Now, why
the moon is still round and not half; and where is the other
half-moon?

6] Mohammed lied that the earth is flat when we all know
that the earth is round.

7] Mohammed claimed that Allah is one, but if Allah is
singular, how come the Quran quotes Allah using the
plural pronoun " WE " whenever Allah speaks? The answer
explaining why the Arabic language is detracted by
Mohammed is as follows:
Dear little hoopoe,
You wrote saying: "....These words, innaa ("Verily We")
and nahnu ("We"), and other forms of the plural, may be
used by one person speaking on behalf of a group,
or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect
or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they
issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have
decided..."
My reply:
"We" when used by one person speaking on behalf of a group
is acceptable but if by a Singular God, then it is unfathomable.
When "we" is used by a Monarch, it is taken to mean that
the King is speaking on behalf of the Royal Family, but if
the King is not married and only Himself alone in His kingdom,
He will be most foolish to use "We" when he speaks, right?
And for the truth you may not know: what if Allah uses
"We(Nahnu)" when He is speaking on behalf of the Family of
God - Elohiym; and " I(Ana) " when He uses it to express
Himself like He expressed his name to Moses as
" I AM THAT I AM" as God, the Father Almighty; and
"He(Huwa)" when He uses it to refer to His Son, Jesus???
To say that in Arabic language using plurality to emphasize
glory or respect is literary style is unwise: for why adopt
such literary style when it is practical to use the right words
to emphasize glory or respect like "I, your Allah or
We, your God(Elohiym)...I, your King or We, the Royal Family,
etc" so as not to confuse other races who, wisely, never use
plurality to emphasize glory or respect otherwise the World
would be upside-down like in most Islamic countries !
And "Innaa" translated by you as "verily, We". You know
the meaning of verily which means in the very truth, and
to put "verily" in front of the word "WE" which you say
could be "I" makes the word "verily" to also mean not
the very truth, right?
Hence, how good is the Arabic language when used in
the Quran to express the true meaning of Allah?

I could understand why the Arabic language uses such
"literary style": since Mohammed-a uneducated man,
in the past, ruling by the sword, no one dares to oppose
his grammatical errors, and now he is acclaimed by Muslims
as a prophet of Islam, who among the Muslims dare to point out
his errors WHEN MOHAMMED SAID "We" Is "I", and "I" is "We"?
Even now, no Muslim dare to object to Mohammed-
the uneducated man- using Arabic language uneducatedly
with grammatical mistakes except the Christians, right?
For Christians do what is right in the sight of God Almighty,
BUT NOT THE MUSLIMS for Muslims fear the Islamists
who are ready to kill any Muslim who goes against
the Quran even in good faith that there are grammatical errors
in the Quran such as using the PLURAL PRONOUN 'WE' wrongly!!

Now, speaking of the beauty of the Arabic language, may I ask you
" Was Mohammed an Arab?"
Mohammed was not even an Arab, and hence he negated the beauty
of the Arabic language by detracting it as forementioned.

Amen in Christ Jesus - the prophet who does not lie !




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