Re: Execution date furore
- From: "...lobert......" <lobert@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:19:22 +0800
Singapore is not the only country that have trade with Myanmar. All ASEAN countries have agreed to let Myanmar into ASEAN.
truth wrote:
The last thing the Singapore government should do is to have joined ventures with them.
"Loganathan" <loga@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:dlmin6$bm7$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There is no request to arrest and expatriate him back to Myanmar for trial.
He is officially not a criminal in his own country. Neither was he caught
carrying drugs into Singapore. What do you expect the govt to do?
"ardeedee" <ardeedee1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:437ea171@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Burmese drug lord Lo Ching San is noted even by the UN and US and they
treat him as personae non grate in US but he is welcomed to Singapore?
We also enacted laws such as Criminal Detainee Law to off set the lack of
hard evidence for normal prosecution despite what you piously claimed here
and yet they allow such drug lords to roam around freely.
"Loganathan" <loga@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:dlll7j$ap9$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Drug kingpins are criminals who deserved death too. You have evidence?
Give
it to the police, and they will be dealt with accordingly.
"truth" <truth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%3mff.20583$Hj2.11122@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Who do u think the drug lords are ? They are very rich people and have very decent and respectable business fronts. Go read "Escape from Paradise" in which the great grand daughter implied that her wealthy great grand father and uncle made their piles of $ from drug rather than the balm that they claimed give them their wealth. Have u read the latest USA criminal investigation into Stanley Ho's involvement with the chinese triad society ? How about the Singapore government business partnership with drug lord Lo from Burma.
"Loganathan" <loga@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:dlkf4t$9me$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
This is nonsensical. Drug lords would also be hanged if caught. Just
that
smugglers refused to divulge the names of their leaders and are
willing
to
die for them. It is a matter of time though, that these kingpins
would
be
pinned by the long arms of the law.
"Kantian" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:L2iff.202$Sg7.172@xxxxxxxxxxx
I think u're very right, if u hang one there will be hundreds more willing to take over him and smuggle drugs again. In actual case, it looks
like
our
MIW is doing the right thing, but they are only trying to serve
their
own
political purpose, remember they change the law in the 90s to
punish
those drug users hushly whenever they recommit drug offences again, and
their
hush
penalties are because they refuse to pay for those drug abusers rehabilitation over and over again, while these drug users were
going
in
and
out of prision.
plus, if this case falls on one of old man's children and grand
children,
I'm sure he will act differently.
"truth" <truth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
Murder the small men and sleep with the drug kingpin.
"Good Man" <goodbloke100au@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:437d497f$0$4553$c30e37c6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sound like Singapore Government has stopped the "Carrier" and
broken
the
"Chain" of drug supply by its uncompromising "principle". As
usual,
Singapore Government has a principle for every Singaporeon
because
non
of
them can think any differently.
Good Man
"Analyst" <ideaquest@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1132280559.872381.262340@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I read all this news media that are exploiting the emotive
aspect
of
this case.
But let's take a rational approach to this issue.
WHO SENTENCED NGUYEN Tuong Van?
I put it to you that it the very people who are calling for his
sentence to be waived.
How so?
Recall that Nguyen Tuong Van had claimed that he is doing this
to
help his brother who is a drug addict ...
And why was his brother a drug addict?
Because someone else was a Carrier and made available the drug
to
his
brother.
If this "Carrier" had been stopped earlier, his brother could
have
been
saved and so would Tuong Van.
YOU have to break the "Chain" somewhere.
The Singapore government is not "heartless", they go by
Principle.
And going by Principle can be very unpopular BUT it is better
to
go
by principle than be swayed by emtions.
Let the result speak for themselves.
The lost of one life is a tragedy. The lost of 26,000 lives is a statistic.
You may feel strongly for that one life. But please spare a thought for the 26,000 lives saved.
fairplay wrote:
Execution date furore
By Misha Schubert, Busan, South Korea, and Steve Butcher November 18, 2005
Grim message shatters stricken mother's hopes NGUYEN Tuong Van, the young Australian convicted of drug
trafficking
in
Singapore, is to be executed on December 2, after Prime
Minister
John Howard's last-ditch plea for clemency was rejected by his Singaporean counterpart, Lee Hsieng Loong.
Diplomatic tensions have escalated dramatically over the case,
after
the Singaporean Prime Minister yesterday failed to tell Mr Howard
that
a
letter announcing the execution date had already been sent to
Nguyen's
mother in Melbourne.
The two leaders met for 35 minutes yesterday morning at the
APEC
summit
in South Korea. Mr Howard argued firmly that Nguyen's life
should
be
spared, citing mitigating factors such as his complete
co-operation
with police and previously clean record.
Although Singapore's prison authority had already sent its
letter
to
Mrs Nguyen, Mr Lee did not disclose the execution date to Mr
Howard
during
their meeting.
Mr Howard expressed displeasure when news of the letter
emerged
shortly
after the private talks. "I am very disappointed that I was
not
told, very disappointed," he told reporters.
Nguyen, 25, who has been on death row for 20 months, will hang
at
dawn
in the maximum-security Changi Prison for the importation of
heroin
in
2002.
Nguyen's mother, Kim Nguyen, learned of the date at home at
2pm
yesterday in a letter sent by registered mail by Singapore
prison
authorities. "By letter, by registered letter delivered to her
house
... it's incredibly impersonal," said Nguyen's Melbourne-based
lawyer,
Lex
Lasry, QC.
The letter informed Ms Nguyen of her son's execution date and
said
she
would be granted extra visiting rights between November 29
until
December 1.
Neither she nor anyone else will be permitted to see Nguyen on
the
day
of his hanging.
Mr Lasry, with fellow barrister Julian McMahon, will fly to Singapore today for a meeting with Nguyen tomorrow.
Mr Lee emerged yesterday's meeting with Mr Howard to declare
that
"the
law should take its course", as he rejected suggestions the
death
penalty was cruel and inhumane.
"In Singapore, I believe that it is something which is
necessary,"
he said.
The 396 grams of heroin found on Nguyen at Changi Airport in
2002
was the equivalent of 26,000 doses on the street, he said,
representing
an
"enormous amount in terms of the misery it can cause to
addicts
and
their families, the destruction of lives".
"It is never a light thing to do, to decide that somebody has
to
hang,"
he said. "But we also have to consider the consequences for
the
families of the drug addicts, and the overall, overriding concern we
have
that we must not have Singapore become a drug centre."
Mr Lee also praised Mr Howard's cogent and quiet diplomacy,
saying
they
had discussed the issue "candidly and directly" without public
lectures.
Nguyen's case was discussed by the two leaders four times,
including
a
long telephone call last month when Mr Howard was in Papua New
Guinea
and Mr Lee was in China. That call had remained a secret until
yesterday, because Mr Howard felt if there was any hope of a
change
of
heart it would have the greatest chance of success if handled
quietly.
Mr Howard yesterday told Mr Lee he felt the death penalty was
a
"very harsh outcome" given the mitigating circumstances - that
Nguyen
was
a first-time offender who had co-operated with police and had committed the offence to help clear his brother's debts.
But he expressed no realistic prospect of a last-minute
miracle.
"There
is nothing more the Australian Government can do," he said.
It was also revealed yesterday that Mr Howard met Mrs Nguyen,
who
came
to Australia as a refugee from Vietnam, in his Sydney
electorate
office
on Tuesday.
"Needless to say she is in a state of great anguish and I feel
desperately sorry for her," he said. "And I can only say to
anybody
who
is contemplating taking drugs or committing drug offences in
Asia
to
bear in mind, if they have no concerns for their own fate, to
bear
in mind the terrible pain that is inflicted upon those who love
them
most".
Mr Howard said the case conjured mixed emotions for many Australians, but he felt particularly sad at the circumstances. "I do not
favour
capital punishment but I think this is a particularly bad and
unfair
situation, I think there are mitigating circumstances that
might
not
apply in other cases," he said.
In Melbourne, Mr Lasry said he was angry and frustrated that
Singapore
had decided to go ahead with the execution. "I must say my
overwhelming
emotion at the moment, apart from being distressed by this,
I'm
angry.
"I'm angry that they (the Singapore government) do such a
thing
in
such
an impersonal way and I'm angry that they won't see the
injustice."
Victorian Attorney-General Rob Hulls said he was disappointed
at
the
news, and said Nguyen had shown "significant" remorse. "He
even
agreed
to testify against those on whose behalf he was transporting
the
contraband," Mr Hulls said.
Melbourne Catholic priest Father Peter Norden said Pope John
Paul
II
and his successor Pope Benedict XVI had made direct but
unsuccessful
appeals to Singapore to spare Nguyen's life. "For two Popes to
intervene,
it's
making it very clear that many people in this world are
opposed
to
taking a life," he said.
With AAP
HOW THE DAY UNFOLDED 1.15pm Prime Minister John Howard and Singaporean Prime Minister Lee
Hsieng
meet at a hotel in Busan, South Korea. Mr Howard puts the case
for
clemency. Mr Lee thanks him for his representations, but
explains
there
will be no shift.
1.30pm Before the meeting turns to other issues, Mr Howard asks an
Australian
official to phone lawyer Lex Lasry, QC, and pass on
information
to
Kim
Nguyen, Nguyen's mother, about the latest Singaporean refusal
before
it
is made public.
1.50pm
Mr Lee emerges from the meeting and tells journalists that the
appeal
for clemency has been rejected. Asked when Nguyen will be
executed,
he
says: "That has not been conveyed to the family yet, so I
think
that
I
am not going to present that."
2pm In Melbourne, Mrs Nguyen receives a registered letter from
Singapore
prison authorities advising her that her son will be executed
on
December 2.
2.15pm Mr Howard holds a news conference and details appeals for
clemency.
2.50pm As news conference comes to an end, Mr Howard is told that
December
2 has been set as the execution date. He declines to comment
until
he receives independent advice, but says that the date has not
been
mentioned to him.
Soon after At Mr Howard's request, officials call Australia and the
December
2
date is verified.
4pm Mr Howard tells journalists he is "very disappointed" at not
having
been told of the date by Mr Lee.
All times are Melbourne times. South Korea is two hours
behind.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/execution-date-furore/2005/11/17/1132
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