Re: Culling the Singapore security industry

Because the cleaning contracotr bids low price and also want to take more
take-home pay forhimself and thus his cleaners suffered for it.

I was told by a contractor that he lost his business completely after his
regular cleaning contract was lost though the bid which was won by other
contractor merely by 2 hundred dollars. After 5 years in the business, he
lost his business to other bidder. Maybe there should also be tender price
too for MIW so that people can decide on the bid price of MIW.



"kilometric" <katami@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:dfm6uo$1k8$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> A lot stuff produced by NTUC about how they "help" to improve productivity
> is all bull***.
>
> For example, in the pass, cleaners used to work only 6 to 8 hours per day,
5
> days a week and no work on weekends and public holidays, for a monthly
> salary of S$500 to S$750. Now cleaners need to work at least 12 hours a
day,
> 6 day a week, for salary of S$800 to S$1000 a month, with little or no
> benefits, no medical claim, etc, etc.
>
> Before, they clean maybe 6 stalls, now they have to clean 12 stalls.
>
> The "increase" in productivity and pay came about because of longer
working
> hours with fewer cleaners, not because of some "NTUC training" crap.
>
> Likewise, in the pass, security guards used to work only 8 hour a day, on
a
> 3 shift rotation, for a salary of S$800 to S$1200 a month. Now it is 12
> hours a day, 6 day a week, for S$1200 - S$1400 a month.
>
> Where did the productivity came from ? longer working hours, and more days
> work.
>
> Government and NTUC are just deluding themselves about their good work.
>
>
> "Di Da Di" <didadi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:431e55c2$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > It was in last week papers that ntuc said security guards are now paid
> > more - that is between 1200 to 1300 instead of the past at 700 to 800.
> >
> > The increase in salary seeemd to be ( to overcome the shortage of gurds
> > due
> > to the increase demand) because of WDA re-training (?) and ntuc and the
> > (upgrading of security guard qualification and screening requirments)
the
> > tighteneing of security gurds background and the education training
(like
> > minimum must have a few O levels) and so on
> >
> > Maybe the increase in salary is all included of leave, cpf and etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > "kilometric" <katami@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:dfk4fd$oop$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Seriously many securities companies and agencies licensed by the
> > government
> >> providing guards and protection services in Singapore has no right no
> > exist
> >> or even continue as going concern.
> >>
> >> First, any gullible, naive, or even desperate people looking for work
as
> >> a
> >> security guard are often suck in by these small agencies offering
> >> salaries
> >> of S$40 to S$60 a day without witnessing, or even signing any
> >> employer/employee contractual agreement with regards to salary terms
and
> >> conditions, benefits, overtime, termination, absences from work, etc,
> >> etc.
> >> Often, salary agreement are made on a "verbal" basis.
> >>
> >> Second, some of these agencies are actually contravening CPF Board, as
> > well
> >> as MOM rules and regulations by under declaring, or even not paying the
> >> correct CPF contributions, either from the employee's salary, or from
the
> >> employer itself. The agencies involved just contribute a small "token"
of
> >> S$50 or $108 monthly as into the employee CPF account, so that the
> > employee
> >> can received a higher take home salary. Some agencies even mentioned
CPF
> >> contribution is "flexible" and if the employee wish to receive full CPF
> >> contributions, his/her take home salary will be very much lower,
because
> > the
> >> daily salary of S$40 to S$60 the agencies quoted "include" full CPF
> >> contributions of 8.5% to 33%.
> >>
> >> Third, employee or potential guards need to work at least 12 hours a
day,
> > 6
> >> day a week, in some extremely bad working conditions where shelter from
> > sun
> >> and rain is meager, or even absent. Some sites provide no food, no
water,
> > no
> >> toilet or sanitation facilities. Since the agencies also provide no
> > medical
> >> benefits, no annual leaves, no CPF, no work means no pay, potential
> > employee
> >> get disillusion with the working conditions and salaries very quickly.
> >>
> >> And some condo managers even provide 40 pages of MA rules and by laws,
> >> guidelines, task, duties, etc, etc and expect these employees to
> > understand
> >> and follow, and later carry out them without fail, not knowing if the
> >> poor
> >> employee is capable of understanding and performing them.
> >>
> >> No wonder the turnover of security employee is high because no
potential
> >> employee would be in his/her right mind to get a low salary of S$40 to
> > S$60
> >> a day, working for 12 hours, 6 to 7 days a week, doing a condo manager,
> > M.A,
> >> or even admin assistant work, in addition to his/her own security task.
> > And
> >> factoring cost of transport, food, CPF contribution, the salary just
made
> >> the job image worse and working unbearable.
> >>
> >> Ironically, despite its poor image, there are people who wish to join
the
> >> industry, either as a career, or as a part time worker. Some employee
> >> even
> >> paid themselves to get certified for work.
> >>
> >> The government should stamp some quality seals on these securities
> > agencies
> >> or force some of them to either merge, or close down permanently,
because
> >> the more the agencies proliferate, the worse the ba situation will
> >> perpetuate.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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