Re: Quotes from the Royal Drone.

On Jul 4, 2:01 pm, Akins of that Ilk <the_akins_of_ak...@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Jul 4, 12:02 pm, "deemsb...@xxxxxxx" <deemsb...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jul 4, 12:48 pm, Akins of that Ilk <the_akins_of_ak...@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Jul 4, 10:55 am, "deemsb...@xxxxxxx" <deemsb...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 4, 11:32 am, Akins of that Ilk <the_akins_of_ak...@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Jul 4, 8:37 am, Alan Smaill <sma...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Akins of that Ilk <the_akins_of_ak...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Jul 1, 10:36 pm, "Fifeshire Floozie" <h...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Akins of that Ilk" <the_akins_of_ak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

So the title "Duke of Cambrige" was invented in 1801....

No. "It was first used as a designation for Charles Stuart
(1660-1661), the eldest son of James, Duke of York (later James II),
though he was never formally created Duke of Cambridge."

They just spin these sorts of titles off willy-nilly, don't they?

What an idea, just making title up like that.

--
Alan Smaill

Which was, of course, my point. All titles are "made up", "invented",
"created", etc. The idea that the Crown has the "authority" to hand
out titles stems from the concept of "the divine right of kings";
which is itself a most peculiar notion. The right of might is
generally how positions of power were obtained for most of history;
the belief in divine right is seriously flawed from the start.

   No, handing out titles has everything to do with power, not divine
right. Divine right was a way rulers tried to legitimize their power.- Hide quoted text -

The "power" of monarchy stems from the belief on the part of the
subjects in the legitimacy of the authority of the monarch. In other
words, a monarch's power is only as substantial as his subects' belief
in their authority.

     Well, enough of his subjects' belief at least. Which doesn't
change my point that handing out titles, rewards, etc, etc stems from
power. Divine right was a claim made to help legitimize power/
position.....it gave no power in and of itself.- Hide quoted text -

I suppose that depends on how one looks at it. If the king says his
power comes from divine right and his subjects believe that to be
true, then his power stems from the belief his subjects hold that his
power is legfitimate because of divine right. The actual power of any
authority always comes from the subjects of that authority through
their belief in the legitimacy of the authority. That belief may be
based in superstition (as is the case of "divine right") or it may be
based on fear (as in the case of the "right of might"), or it may be
based on consent to be governed, neither out of superstition nor from
fear, but out of a desire for order. The latter is, of course, the
preferred option, when it is an option.

The whole problem is divine right was just a polite fiction and
pretty much everyone that mattered knew it. As soon as someone with a
bit of power and ambition came along, divine right went out the
window. It wasn't too hard to buy, or install, a convenient clergyman
to ratify things...and that included Popes. If this wasn't the case,
all those royals and nobles who got overthrown and shortened would've
lived a bit longer. IOW, divine right was just another tool that those
in power tried to use to legitimize themselves.....it wasn't the
reason they had power.
.

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