Re: Climategate - criminal charges may follow

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:14:56 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
<coryvreckan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Scotty wrote:

oftentimes I like to "err" on the side of caution. What if, for instance,
it turns out in a hundred years it is brought to home that we should have
been more vigilant WRT global warming.

- nilita
Good question and Hardy has given a good answer.
IMHO, we humans are arrogant and overrate our importance and influence
compared to the power of Nature.

Whens the last time you went down to a major river and had a nice long
drink from it? I'll give you $20 US if you come come to Washington D.C.
and drink a glass full of water straight out of the Potomac (that should
cover the your deductible for the emergency room visit). Do you also
doubt that we have over fished many species of important food fish to
the point of commercial extinction? Speaking of extinction, whens the
last time you saw a Passenger Pigeon, at one time the most common bird
in North America? Do you also deny the existence of acid rain? How about
the high levels of mercury now present in the flesh of apex level
predatory fish world wide (now almost fished out). You think that eating
sashimi is healthy now? Chelation therapy is getting hip these days.

I've been watching this little exchange between you and Bruce with some
amusement but this crap about how arrogant it is to think we can
influence nature is, well, a load of crap.

Context Cory, "humans [...] compared to the power of Nature", maybe puny
would have a better choice of words than, importance and influence.

I agree totally with your summary above, you must have seen me, in my
exchanges with Bruce, claim to be an environmentalist, I've used words
like, "stop shitting on our doorstep", must clean up our act , I've pointed
to the slag heaps that engulf kids schools and many other. *I* have pointed
to acid rain, mercury in fish, I haven't mentioned before but we have
hunted species to extinction and over fished. It IS disgusting. I have
given you the Shah of Iran's famous quote, "oil is too valuable to burn"
and I would add coal.

But let me say this: nearly 50% of the new mercury each year comes from
burning coal most of the balance comes from volcanoes and we are too puny
to do anything about them, unhealthy sashimi, high levels of mercury now
present in the flesh of apex level predatory fish, comes largely from
burning coal, acid rain comes from burning coal, dead rivers result from
the sulphuric acid that leaches out of coal slag heaps, millions of people
have died from or suffered disastrous health damage from mining and burning
coal, need I continue?

I "think" more people have been killed or suffered health problems as a
result of mining/burning coal than from the consequences of the three major
Nuclear "accidents" (Nagasaki, Hiroshima and Chernobyl). And the atmosphere
is polluted from releasing CO2 that was sequestrated in coal.

I also believe that Nature is resilient, it must be else it wouldn't have
survived the assaults that we have made on it and it will rebound, if we
stop burning coal and the other hydro-carbons (both fixed and mobile).

Power is the forth most important commodity that we need after food, water
and air. If we ban coal and hydro-carbons which I believe we should, what
do we do, revert to the buggie and whip??

I'll leave that as an exercise for the student, answers next week...

I have also said that I am passionate about the Science and on the face of
it, the Science done at Hadley's Climate Research Unit, Penn State and Uni.
of Virginia is crap.

From the stolen e-mails:
http://tinyurl.com/yaee54z

"Mann didn?t react well to these hesitations from his colleagues. Even Ray
Bradley, a coauthor of the hockey stick article, felt compelled to send a
message to Briffa after one of Mann?s self-serving emails with the single
line": "*Excuse me while I puke*".

.

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