Re: Ireland Acts And Yurp Twitters.

Custos Custodum <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
:news:fvuug45ftin25ajppoeq6skk477aseo7v0@xxxxxxx:
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:>:>:>:> German is actually a fairly easy language.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:That rather depends on where you are starting from.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>
:>:>:> Unless you're starting from Asia, German is a fairly easy language.
:>:>:
:>:>:I suspect there are generations of students who would disagree.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:> I suspect that your suspicions don't alter our present reality.
:>:
:>:I suspect that you inhabit a separate reality from the rest of us.
:>:
:>
:> No doubt you 'suspect' all sorts of silly things. This frequently
:> happens when the connection to reality is weak.
:>
:> Or perhaps we really ARE all out to get you...
:
:Don't flatter yourself.
:

Anything involving you isn't 'flattery'...

:>:>:
:>:>:>:> Virtually all the verbs
:>:>:>:> are regular.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:Nonsense! German has slightly more irregular verbs than English
:>:>:>:(lots more if you count the separable forms).
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>
:>:>:> Hogwash! English has pretty much all the irregular verbs of German
:>:>:> (for obvious reasons), plus all the crap inherited from Norman
:>:>:> French, plus a plethora of other foreign garbage that has
:>:>:> accumulated over time.
:>:>:
:>:>:Few of which are irregular. 'Choose' is about the only one that comes
:>:>:readily to mind. Feel free to provide your own examples.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:> Well, I'm not going to sort them out by origin,
:>:
:>:Why not?
:>:
:>
:> Because, unlike you, I actually have a life.
:
:Sure, Fred. That'll explain why you spend far more time here than I do.
:

Unlikely. I spend hardly any time here at all. You need to remember
that not everyone needs to sound out the words like you do and we
don't all type with our feet.

:
:> If you want to sort them
:> out and prove me wrong, feel free to do so.
:
:I don't need to. The original assertions were yours, so the burden of
:proof rests with you. That's the way it works.
:

You've made your own assertions. I always find it interesting how
folks like you think "the way it works" is different based on whether
it's you or someone else.

:
:>:
:>:Your position regarding the number of irregular verbs in
:>:English is based on your assertion that "English has pretty much all
:the
:>:irregular verbs of German (for obvious reasons), plus all the crap
:>:inherited from Norman French, plus a plethora of other foreign garbage
:>:that has accumulated over time". To substantiate that claim you will
:>:have to demonstrate that, in addition to "all the irregular verbs of
:>:German" (I'll settle for less than 100% mapping), there is also a
:>:significant number of irregular verbs "inherited from Norman French,
:>:plus a plethora of other foreign garbage that has accumulated over
:>:time".
:>:
:>
:> I don't have to prove anything. Your assertion is that the preceding
:> is NOT true. To substantiate that claim you need to do the same work,
:> except you need to show that a large percentage of the verbs that are
:> irregular in German become regular in English, plus that there are no
:> significant additions from other languages (like the Old English
:> 'strong' verbs, which are considered irregular in modern English).
:
:See above. The original claims were yours. I don't need to do anything.
:

See above. You made your own claims. You have the same burden of
proof you demand from others.

:> Let me know when you're done with that...
:
:Let me know when you have satisfied yourself that you were talking
:nonsense, then I can continue with the next lesson.
:

Please hold your breath waiting for that.

:
:>:> but here are a few of
:>:> the irregular verbs in English:
:>:
:>:<list snipped for brevity>
:>:
:>:It's not for me to demonstrate their origins but, from a quick glance,
:I
:>:would hazard that they are almost all Germanic, i.e., Anglo-Saxon or
:>:Norse. Only 'prove' appears to be French/Norman/Latin, which would tend
:>:to support my case rather than yours.
:>:
:>
:> But since you claim to have a 'case', you have the same need for
:> 'proof' that you attempt to place on me.
:>
:> Again, let me know when you're done with that...
:>
:>:>:>
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:Verbs that are irregular in English are
:>:>:>:usually irregular in German as well. Can you guess why?
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>
:>:>:> I don't have to 'guess', you stupid twat. I'm better educated than
:>:>:> you will probably ever manage to be.
:>:>:
:>:>:I have yet to see any evidence of that in this or any other thread.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:> I don't feel particularly responsible for your myopia.
:>:
:>:My myopia is corrected by wearing spectacles but nevertheless I cannot
:>:see things that are not there.
:>:
:>
:> I'd suggest you seek a new optician.
:
:Opticians can't make people see things that are not there.
:

But the appliance they vend can help people see things that are there
that they are too myopic to see.

:>:>:>:> English, the garbage pit of languages, is much more difficult.
:>:>:>:
:>:>:>:At the advanced level there are lots of subtleties that are almost
:>:>:>:impossible to codify, but anyone I have ever asked (Europeans, at
:>:>:>:least) has found it an easy language to start learning - no
:>:>:>:grammatical gender, simple plurals, only two verb tenses (the rest
:>:>:>:being formed by auxiliaries), etc.
:>:>:
:>:>:And not forgetting: virtually no subjunctive mood.
:>:>:
:>:>:>
:>:>:> Where do you people get this "only two verb tenses" crap? The joys
:>:>:> of you only having a third grade education, I expect.
:>:>:
:>:>:Speaking only for myself, the joys of having studied German (Lang. &
:>:>:Lit.) at university. Perhaps you should attend to your own
:'education'
:>:>:and bring it up to current thinking.
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:> Sorry to disappoint you, but I've already been there and done that,
:>:> long ago. My last German course at university was taught by a
:>:> gentleman who received his doctorate in Germanic languages from the
:>:> University of Vienna.
:>:
:>:Gosh! Am I supposed to be impressed by that? As far as I can recall,
:>:virtually all my lecturers at university held PhDs. A couple were even
:>:DScs. The one exception I remember was Seumas MacNeil, who was better
:>:known for his piping expertise.
:>:
:>
:> Gosh! Then why did you even bring "studying at university" up? Was I
:> supposed to be impressed by that?
:
:You may recall that it was you who introduced the whole subject of your
:imagined 'superior education'. I merely escalated from there.
:

I'd have to do some pretty heavy drugs to 'recall' that, since that's
not the order things happened in.

:>
:>:
:>:> I'd suggest that perhaps you should return to university and relearn
:>:> all you've apparently forgotten.
:>:
:>:I haven't forgotten anything, Fred. I use my German on a daily basis.
:>:How about you?
:>:
:>
:> Lots of people speak languages and yet know very little about them.
:> Just look at all the English speakers in the world...
:
:Indeed there are, and as your posts here so amply demonstrate, there are
:also those who write about languages and yet know very little about them.
:

And yet still know much more than you.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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