Re: Mair Doric


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http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/scotland/stonehaven/

The interviewer is definately from the West of Scotland (maybe
Glasgow) whereas the person himself is from Stonehaven - 15 miles
South of Aberdeen.He is holding back a bit. This not how he would talk
to his mates but it's close I suppose.
He would normally start a sentence with "Aw well,foo ye dee-in min"?
There is a sort of Anglised Scots.

He's not just holding back a bit - he has modified his speech quite a
bit
for the interviewer.

Neb

Yes it's interesting that Aberdeenshire people do this whereas in
Glasgow they just let fire and expect people to understand them. I
often get told I don't sound Scottish because the stereotyupical Scots
accent is from Glasgow and that area (though I do have a little twag
from Glasgow having spent a long time there).
I modify my accent a lot for people but seldom do people reciprocate.


Hardy


Weegie is not Scots either as it too is a form of Scottish Standard
English.
You never could tell the difference, though.
Let me put it this way - there is a great difference between a Scottish
accent and any dialect of the Scottish Lowland languages.

You are quite right in that accent and dialect are two different things. Not
only are the dialects different but within each dialect area different
people speak with differing amounts of the base dialect. That is they can
vary from a pretty rich dialect of Scots through to SSE with a measure of
Scots dialect thrown in and plenty in-between the two and where Scots ends
and SSE begins wouldn't be a very easy thing to put down. Plus as you say
people change casually from their normal Scots dialect to their SSE (ie
Telephone) voice. For instance many local Border people I know, including
myself, speak completely differently to each other than they do to
'interlowpers' or outsiders, or on the phone or of course in the media. You
basically never hear a real rich conservative Borders Scots dialect on radio
or TV. Whenever you see for instance a sportsman being interviewed then
normally they are concentrating like hell to keep their TV voices on. Richie
Gray (rugby pundit and Gala coach) comes across quite natural with his TV
voice whilst John Collins seems to have developed a really strange
deliberate accent which I'd guess is nothing like he spoke as a boy.

The Glasgow thing is more controversial. You are right that many decades ago
Glaswegian was dismissed as being not Scots. The introduction to the SND
dismisses it as 'hopelessly corrupted'. However I think overall attitudes
have changed. Billy Kay in "The Mither Tongue" regards it as Scots as do
most of the other experts 'for want of a better word' that I have read.
However if other people naturally think of Glaswegian when they think of
Scots (which I think many do) then they are thinking of a dialect which is
possibly more anglicised than any other Scots dialect, and the examples they
see in the media probably mostly conist of a pretty anglicised version of
that already anglicised base dialect.


Allan


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