Re: Safety, Love and Life


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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:41:27 -0000, "Boabby" <ascb38@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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For there is NO death Penalty.

Because it doesn't have any general practical use.
| Charles Ellson: charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


I would be delighted to hear anything that
offered a way forward to a solution to the dilemma.

Okay Boabby

I'll give you a solution. Don't *** up people so much in the first place
that they behave in such extreme ways. Thinking about the nature nurture
discussion going on above- many people who are capable of such horrific
crimes are the product of such bizarre upbringing that they have no sense
of anything other than their own survival at all costs.

We have cycles of behaviour such as domestic and sexual abuse handed down
through generations that lead to more and more dysfunctional people. Mind
you it's easier to say stop it than to actually do it. Somehow I don't
think a few parenting classes will do the trick.

Neb
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Do you have examples that you can discuss.??
eg. Are you suggesting that I have fucked other people
up, or that I have been fucked up by other people.
(Just joking)

I come across badly damaged people a lot and I have seen a lot of effort put
into trying to put them back together again- a bit like Humpty Dumpty, with
some admittedly limited success. I was referring to the man who did that to
his son- certainly not to present company. Children are the most precious
thing in the world to me and I just cannot begin to imagine what was going
on within his head.

Neb, I will suggest that you actually do not have a solution,
and nor do I. So let us just think in terms of dealing with the offender,
a human being, and not an abstract cloud of molecules or chemical
impulses. I will suggest to you that quasi-science has simply
subsumed the role of 'god', and delivers of the same 'guff'.

Society requires simple remedies.
Not all of which will be a cure.

Society is too complicated for simple remedies. If we can prevent things
happening in the first place that is surely much better than punishing
people afterwards is it not?

Questions are being asked about why his child was not protected given he had
a history of violence. I'm saying we should take it back a step further and
ask what happened to him to make him have a history of violence?

I'll give you one simple example of prevention. They have been running a
poular series of 5 a side football tournaments for teenagers in one area of
Aberdeen. The football is being credited with a 30% drop in levels of
vandalism in that area. Is that worth doing? Or should the energy go into
catching and punishing the vandals?


Execution of the offendor is ONE. Yes?

It may appear like one to you Boabby, but it isn't one that is palatable to
me. I'd rather we tried to tackle the problem at its roots instead of
chopping of the branches.

Neb


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