Re: The whole dialect business


"Sharon L. Krossa" <skrossa-unn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:25:05 -0800, Robert Peffers
> <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> (in article <dmfehi$nce$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):
>
>> I just wish anyone claiming the Scots language is a dialect of English
>> would, before expressing their views, spend a week along the cost around,
>> "The Broch".
>>
>> This name, by the way, derives from the old Scots for, "The Burgh". Thus
>> ,
>> "The Broch", is Fraserburgh.
>> Perhaps, after such a week, the claimant may change their mind.<G>.
>
> If a Standard English speaker (whether it be Scottish, American, RP, or
> whatever) spent a week somewhere the locals spoke one of the rural
> northern English dialects they would come to the same conclusions as they
> would come to in Fraserburgh -- it would be unintelligible to them, just
> like a related but foreign language. But as I explained above, it isn't
> just about being mutually intelligible, it is also about chains of
> mutually intelligible neighboring dialects connecting more distant
> mutually unintelligible dialects.
>
> You and Iain are both equally wrong in opposite ways. You're wrong
> because the linguistic relationship between Scots and English is not
> sufficient to prove that those who consider Scots a dialect of English
> are clearly wrong. At the same time, Iain is wrong because the linguistic
> relationship between Scots and English is not sufficient to prove that
> those who consider Scots a separate language from English are clearly
> wrong.
>
> The linguistic evidence _is_ such that one may reasonably call Scots
> either a dialect of English *or* a separate language from English -- it
> all comes down to essentially arbitrary, non-linguistic criteria. Iain
> doesn't consider the border, history, or the past status of Scots to be
> important enough to draw a line between Scots and English. You do. You're
> both right about that. But you're both wrong about the other guy being
> wrong about that.
>
> Sharon
> --
> Sharon L. Krossa "No Nonsense" skrossa-unn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Medieval Scotland: http://MedievalScotland.org/
> The most complete index of reliable web articles about pre-1600 names:
> The Medieval Names Archive - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/
>
Probably not for there is one very different factor not taken into account.
Every kind of English dialect will often be heard on radio and TV. We get
much London, both East End and West End, we get rural dialects of all sorts,
Geordie and the Northern Coronation Street. We usually recognize them all.
What we don't hear often on either TV or radio is our own Scottish dialects
with the exception of Weegie, (Glaswegian). This applies equally to BBC
Radio Scotland as to the National, (UK), stations. There are though, Gaelic
Broadcasts almost every day on both radio and TV. The Scottish Cringe is
alive and well and often in the Radio station studio.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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