Re: Ciep³o, ciep³o jeszcze ch³odniej

On 31 Lug, 14:29, Piotr <petre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 30, 9:51 pm, quark <quark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jul 30, 3:53 pm, Piotr <petre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 29, 1:18 pm, "brat_olin" <brat_o...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<andrewka...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

Jak to sie dzieje, ze miliony lat liczacy sobie arktyczny lod
stopnieje w czasie jednej ludzkiej generacji? Lod ten sie tworzyl,
kiedy zawartosc dwutlenku wegla w powietrzu spadala. Wiecej ponizej:
http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/nocs/news.php?action=display_news&idx=615

Panie Andrzeju,  ponizej glos z Vancouver, niedaleko Seattle.
(swoja droga mam zaufanie do geologow - mam wujka geologa.
Ale nie uogolniajmy, oczywiscie!):

Global warming is the new religion of First World urban elites
Geologist Ian Plimer takes a contrary view, arguing that man-made climate
change is a con trick perpetuated by environmentalists
By Jonathan Manthorpe, Vancouver SunJuly 28, 2009

Ian Plimer has outraged the ayatollahs of purist environmentalism, the
Torquemadas of the doctrine of global warming, and he seems to relish the
damnation they heap on him.

- "outraged the ayatollahs of purist environmentalism"
-  "Torquemadas of  the doctrine of global warming",
- "environmental orthodoxy"
- "environmental Jacobinism"
- "Purging humankind of its supposed sins"

surely, the language of a balanced and objective journalist...

Plimer is a geologist, professor of mining geology at Adelaide University,
and he may well be Australia's best-known and most notorious academic.

Plimer, you see, is an unremitting critic of "anthropogenic global
warming" -- man-made climate change to you and me -- and the current
environmental orthodoxy that if we change our polluting ways, global warming
can be reversed.

It is, of course, not new to have a highly qualified scientist saying that
global warming is an entirely natural phenomenon with many precedents in
history.

sure. By the same argument - there is not such a thing as a human
arsonist
- people could not possibly start a forest fire because forest fires
are
 "entirely natural phenomenon with  many precedents in history"

 Many have made the argument, too, that it is rubbish to contend
human behaviour is causing the current climate change. And it has often been
well argued that it is totally ridiculous to suppose that changes in human
behaviour -- cleaning up our act through expensive slight-of-hand taxation
tricks -- can reverse the trend.

But most of these scientific and academic voices have fallen silent in the
face of environmental Jacobinism. Purging humankind of its supposed sins of
environmental degradation has become a religion with a fanatical and often
intolerant priesthood, especially among the First World urban elites.

But Plimer shows no sign of giving way to this orthodoxy and has just
published the latest of his six books and 60 academic papers on the subject
of global warming. This book, Heaven and Earth -- Global Warming: The
Missing Science, draws together much of his previous work. It springs
especially from A Short History of Plant Earth, which was based on a decade
of radio broadcasts in Australia.
That book, published in 2001, was a best-seller and won several prizes. But
Plimer found it hard to find anyone willing to publish this latest book, so
intimidating has the environmental lobby become.

because if these are the best arguments here - the book is garbage?

But he did eventually find a small publishing house willing to take the
gamble and the book has already sold about 30,000 copies in Australia. It
seems also to be doing well in Britain and the United States in the first
days of publication.

Plimer presents the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is little
more than a con trick on the public perpetrated by fundamentalist
environmentalists and callously adopted by politicians and government
officials who love nothing more than an issue that causes public anxiety.

While environmentalists for the most part draw their conclusions based on
climate information gathered in the last few hundred years, geologists,
Plimer says, have a time frame stretching back many thousands of millions of
years.

The dynamic and changing character of the Earth's climate has always been
known by geologists. These changes are cyclical and random, he says.. They
are not caused or significantly affected by human behaviour.

Polar ice, for example, has been present on the Earth for less than 20 per
cent of geological time, Plimer writes.

bullshit. Throughout most of the remaining 80% there was no life on
land
so it is irrelevant for functioning of our civilization whether there
was polar
ice then or not.

For people a more adequate piece of information would be:
the length of time people lived in the world without polar caps. 0%
What, not the effect Mr. Plimer wanted to achieve ?

Plus, animal extinctions are an
entirely normal part of the Earth's evolution.

so he is OK with a possibility of human extinction because this would
be  "an entirely normal part of the Earth's  evolution"? We shouldn't
cure
diseases because they are "entirely  natural"? We shouldn't punish
violent criminals because violence is "entirely natural" for people?

(Plimer, by the way, is also a vehement anti-creationist and has been hauled
into court for disrupting meetings by religious leaders and evangelists who
claim the Bible is literal truth.)

Plimer gets especially upset about carbon dioxide, its role in Earth's daily
life and the supposed effects on climate of human manufacture of the gas. He
says atmospheric carbon dioxide is now at the lowest levels it has been for
500 million years,

again irrelevant for the survival of human civilization - our entire
civilization
developed when the CO2 levels were between 260 and 280 ppm.
Since 1800 we have increased them by more than 1/3.

and that atmospheric carbon dioxide is only 0.001 per
cent of the total amount of the chemical held in the oceans, surface rocks,
soils and various life forms.

that's like saying: don't worry about a 10-metre tsunami, because
10 metres is only 0.1 per cent  of the maximum depth of the ocean.

The amount of the chemical HELD in the oceans, surface rocks, soils
and various forms life is IRRELEVANT as long as it is HELD there -
only
that which enters the atmosphere counts. And over the entire length
of
human civilization - this amount stayed suprisingly constant, until
we
decided to relaese some of the carbon that was previous "held".

Indeed, Plimer says carbon dioxide is not a
pollutant, but a plant food. Plants eat carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen.

True, yet false. That's like refusing to toss a line to drowning
person,
because "we cannot live without water".

Human activity, he says, contributes only the tiniest fraction to even the
atmospheric presence of carbon dioxide.

I would not call an increase by 1/3 -  "only the tiniest fraction"

There is no problem with global warming, Plimer says repeatedly. He points
out that for humans periods of global warming have been times of abundance
when civilization made leaps forward.

Apples and oranges. By how many degrees was the warming then  (was it
by 2-4 ?). And how many people  we had to feed then (most of our
commercial
crops has been domesticated from temperate or cold climate- species).

Ice ages, in contrast, have been times
when human development slowed or even declined.

So global warming, says Plimer, is something humans should welcome and
embrace as a harbinger of good times to come.

Mediocre arguments that could satisfy only mediocre souls.
Not a single argument worth remembering. Not a single argument that
haven't  been debunked before.

Po ich autorytetach poznacie ich. Coraz gorzej Pan wyglada, panie
Leszku.

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Zamiast uparcie robic z siebie idiote, Piotrusiu, napisz cos takiego
do NASA / Goddard Institute i wywroc do gory nogami ich ostatni raport
na temat 'ocieplania'.

A jak sie zapytaja o twoje referencje, to podasz im wymiar ryby, ktora
zlowiles niedawno.

Facecik zwariowal na starosc i zostal 'klimatologiem' -- bo mu tyby
nie biora.

s.

  "  Prognozy socioekonomiki wskazuja na to, ze
     USA przegra swoja pozycje na Bliskim Wschodzie."
                    Slawomir Bobrowski: Mon, 08 Aug

    "Trela, sluchajcie:
     Nie ma 'socioekonomiki' ale, jesli juz 'socinomika' -- od
    'socionomics'. (Ksiazka R.Prechtera wprowadzajaca w
     ten nowy temat jest na wasza zaszyta kieszen dosc
     droga, ponad $100.)"
                           Slawomir Bobrowski Sat, 13 Aug- Nascondi testo citato

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I to ma byc odpowiedz kretynka 'klimatologa', zidiocialy Piotrusiu?

Czy wyslales to dla poparcia swoich chorych 'tez' do NASA / Goddard
Institute? ;-))))))

Cos podejrzewam, ze wraz z twoja emerytura ryby odetchnely, ze idiota
przestal sie nimi zajmowac. Zgadlem?

s.
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