Re: LORD RAMA'S MOM (& CO-MOMS) HAVE SEX WITH A DEAD HORSE (ASVAMEDHA SACRIFICE)

First of all jerkovski, regarding your deal.. sure why not.. come to
Pakistan , be my guest.. but after one and half year .. by that time my
engineering will finish and Inshallah I will be on my own..

Now here are the replies

First, the main question has not been answered yet.
What the criteria that something or someone should be regarded as GOD.
Now please, reply to it directly. I m not interested in knowing that
you can see GOD in the eyez of your beloved neither in knowing that Ram
is better or Krishna. Answer me, thats a question regarding
incarnation. Reply to it. Please be specific.


+++++++ Yes the difference is in our beliefs.....Think about what you
wrote...you are building 3 layers of life - one is human, second is
animals and third is the non-living things....are you trying to tell me
that your God only created the humans and nothing else ? Your God only
cares or manifests itself in creating human beings and testing them all
the time ? Why cant he have the same love for all living and non-living
things ? For a long time in this world, trees were not considered
living beings - but they are (I hope you believe in science enough to
believe this). What kind of a God is that who can take only partial
ownership of the world ?
Jerkovski, Who said that ALLAH is the GOD of Humans only. You are
having difficulties in understanding the concept of Destiny and Fate as
they arent part of your religion. Its mentioned so many times, that HE
is the GOD of ALL THE UNIVERSES and everything within them. So first
thing, your misunderstanding about Islam doesnt make things to change.
Now, Why Humans at test, because they have the will to do right or
wrong, thats why. Because they think, they can choose either the right
path or the wrong path according to the own will. GOD has same love for
all his creations. Now its your deeds that make you special. Not
pampering GOD(nazubilah). GOD doesnt need that. Why was Islam sent? Its
a complete code of life that if implemented properly assures the saftey
and rights of everyone in the community. You believe in science telling
you that plants are living, but you have problems when science gets
inaccord with Islam. Why? because its going against your belief? Can
you answer this..?? (After ans the main question, that has been skipped
a no of times)





My replies are below - one more thing before you get into reading what
I have written - Please do not try to show me the beauty of islam and
tell me that i am following the wrong religion - I have seen enough,
read enough to know the truth.
Review the previous replies and you will find a reply containing
show me
something scientific and prove to me that whatever proof you have been
told is not some human being's fantasy ?
Thats why I posted this.


I know more about the Quran than you can ever learn
about the Dharmic religions in your lifetime
I agree, you might be knowing more about Quran, but Sri jerkovski ,
there is a difference between knowing tha path and walking the path.



For example - why do
you have to bow towards mecca when it is only Mo's remains kept there ?
Are you bowing to Mo or to Allah ? But if you are bowing to Allah, then
does Allah only exist towards Mecca ? Isnt he (or may she, who knows ?)
everywhere ? Then why face a certain direction to pray ? The problem is
- your religious philosophy is thin and confused - it hasnt allowed for
debtate for centuries because mo told you that his word is
perfect.....
Why dont you understand, that Kabaa is nothing but a direction. When
praying, we face towards Kaba and its good because things are proper
and orderly. You might not be knowing that first we correct the
"Saaf".. it means that make sure everyone is standing in order and
there are no gaps.. again assuring that things are in order. Just
image, people coming to mosques, someone praying north, someone south,
it gives an image of a fish market.


thought....but i can assure you
makhzumi mian, .....dharmic religions allow debate, questioning and a right to
decide what you want to believe in - and thank God for that
Debate ? on what? Someone asks you about the fundamentals of your
religion and you dont have answers. Someone asks you to prove your
religion on scientific grounds and you tell HIM that GOD is in the
smile of a child. Had such replies been posted by some Muslim, you
people have made a mockery out of that and the poor guy would have been
highly discriminated!
Sri Jerkovski, Albert Einstein says
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is
blind."
Prove you religion on the solid grounds... talk with logic .. convince
me!




Half a God ? Ha....no....my friend....try and
comprehend the completeness, infallibility in everything He created and
you will see my point. What is called 'Dharmic religions' (Buddhism,
Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism) have a all pervading concept of
God....unlike Abrahamanic religions like yours....Its too bad you cant
comprehend the dharmic religious .
+
++++++ have you seen God to know how he looks like ? How do you know he
exists ? Why this hatred for your own self as a human being that you
have to look for a perfect thing called Allah.....God is an ongoing
process of the creation, growth and destruction of the universe - why
does God have to be a 'being' ?? And if it is a being - seperate from
humanity - what form does he exist in ? You tell me what God is - where
he lives and what is he ? Isnt it a concept only in your mind as much
as mine ? if not, then you must have seen HIM to believe in HIM !!!
Seems like you skipped some of the posts by me.
Your belief and my belief are different. If you keep on saying that
Islam is wrong, and I keep on repeating the Hinduism is wrong, things
will never make sense. For that we need to set a criterion against
which we need to prove our faiths. A criterion that is accepted to both
of us and thats science. I have proven mine, can you ? Or still you
will say that despite, its been proven, I dont want to believe in
because its against my faith..



++++++ Abrahamnic religions pray to God to gain something or to prevent
from punishment being given by God....
Here thing you need to understand. There are two things in Islam.
Rights of the Creations and Rights of ALLAH, and to your surprise,
Rights of Creations are having a preference over Rights of ALLAH. We
seek ALLAH's happiness, and pray to HIM to show us the right path.. but
If I have done something wrong with anyone, I wont be forgiven, no
matter how much I have prayed to ALMIGHTY unless that specific ones
forgives me.. Beautiful .. isnt it..



Dharmic religions do not think
like that....you need to think about the difference and see if you can
accept the other viewpoint - or forget it
Human Sacrifices made to Kali MAA, why ?


++++++ Making God happy like a slave hoping that God will pat HIM on
the back is a way of limiting God's existence....here is why - if God
made the world (You agree Allah made this world right ?), he must have
made the dimension of time right ? If he made the 3 dimensional
physical world and the 4th dimension of time too....he surely knows
exactly what I will do at what time and place in my life right ? So
that means if he gives me an opportunity to test me (As you say Allah
does), he must already know my response, right ? because he created
time, he knows what my next step would be, because he is the one who
made that plan anyways - so - God cannot test me...because he has
already programmed my response to his tests......now in your religion,
you wont have an answer to that -
Good Question! I have told you before, that its my will, in a situation
by GOD. Now regarding ur 4th dimension , its the samething; on seeing
black clouds, one says, Its goona rain and it does. GOD surely knws,
since He is GOD, but He has given you will.
Like I have complete freedom to either reply to ur topic rationally, or
to flame .. Its upto me and I am doing what I think its better..




+++++++ Kill the unbelievers, behead them where you find them - isnt
that the Quran ?
This has been replied before along with other questions. When your
refer Quran out of context, thats why you find. Read Quran, with
reference to context and ur question is itself replied.. Seems like you
have been skipping alot of replies posted by me.


Do you have an explanation ? Why did Mo have sex with
a 9 year old ? Why did Mo make different rules for HIMself about
marrying women than for other muslims ?
Again, this has been answered. Hadis were written a long period after
the death of Prophet(PBUH) and there are other references about 16yrs &
18yrs of age. Quran is the word of GOD, lets stick to it and its same
as was revealed as all muslims over world one single version.. you are
again starting discussion within discussions.. I have no problem
discussing it but let the current one finish.. Why you sway ?

Why did Mo ask for 20% of all
robberies by muslims ?
explain more .. didnt get ur question


DO you have any answers for that ? I can see
Makhzumi - you want to focus on the so called 'ills' of hinduism - but
you have not answered a number of questions I have about
islam....answer the ones i have just written and I will ask you many
more - if you are patient enough.
I have replied to the ones that were posted by you previoulsy but you
never relpy to what I ask !
Instead, I can even see whats coming in ur replies..like, "Your
abrahamic approach never lets you think like that... " .. lol







+++++ Zakir Naik - Oh....How much have i read HIM and seen of his
videos...his logic is childish and he just knows how to fool innocent
muslims....do you know he has been running away from an online debate
with Ali Sina for 1.5 years ? he knows Ali Sina knows a lot more about
islam than he does and his silly logic and foolish of muslims would not
work with Ali Sina around....BTW - did you know that Ali Sina accepts
that Hinduism is a very secular religion and that due to Hindu
tolerance, muslims in India are living happily ?
Again, another discussion gonna start.. ok inshort.. the answer lies in
your comments..
Ali Sina(never heard about HIM) is better because
Ali Sina accepts
that Hinduism is a very secular religion and that due to Hindu
tolerance, muslims in India are living happily ?


some of ayurveda's principles have been adopted by
modern medicine...
There is nothing scientific and no prediction in ayurveda's
principles.. its knowledge about medicine.. that can be true as pepple
had diseases and were treated .. and it can be wrong.
But the thing is that there is not a single contradiction in Quran.






+++++ and you pray by facing mo's grave right ? Why ? He is not Allah
right ? Then why ?
Praying anyone besides ALLAH is against the fundamentals of ISLAM. We
pray to ALLAH, facing Kaba, Muhammad(PBUH) was a man like us. If
something like this ever strikes ur mind, better shun it as its against
fundamentals of ISLAM. You are ignorant about basics of Islam and its
very stange to see that you are claiming that you knw alot about
Islam..





+++++ You have joined this group much later....this embryo stuff has
been discussed....and the viewpoint that i believe in is that its a
childish intepretation....i remain a sceptic on all religions which try
to act scientific when they are not....this includes all religions,
including hinduism and islam. So please dont take a viewpoint that I
know morons of all religions do....this in no way proves that your
religion is better....it just shows that you dont know how every
religion's religious leaders fool the masses......and i mean every
religion....this is the kind of childishness that zakir naik uses to
convince half literate people about the glory of islam....this is what
a lot of so called hindu spiritual gurus use to confuse
westerners....both are deplorable....and you are too naive and gullible
to be explained science to.
.....this is the kind of childishness that you use to decieve yourself
whenever you see something getting against ur belief... stop it yar..
cmon.. For you, your religion & gods may be something you can make fun
off, like you stated before but for us, its not our cup of tea.





+++++ Call them to the faith ? Why ? Who gave you this task ? Why cant
your all powerful allah change the wiring in everyone's mind overnight
and ensure that everyone is a muslim in the next 24 hours ? Why does he
need muslims to do the job ? Why does he create so much conflict in
this world by creating jihadis ? Why cant he do the job in simple,
clean manner....just change the world ? Did his creation get out of his
control ? then how can he be God ?
What you are saying is that ALLAH should have programmed everyone so
that everyone should have been practising the right faith ? inst it ?
so had it been such so, then there would have been no concept of GOOD
and EVIL, that means no one to get accused on his deeds as he was
programmed for what he did.. but the things isnt like that.. Humans
have full free will to do what they want too.. Like you have read the
signs, now its upto you, which path you wanna stick.. and thats why you
would be questioned on Judgement Day..










++++++ Kill the unbelievers....is it said in the Quran or not ? My
scriptures are opinions of various people at various times....there is
no ONE book i need to believe in.....so please dont quote your and
dr.naik's moronic and piecemeal interpretations of my religion !! LoL
Would you please stop refering out of context.. You can have opinions
of various peoples and follow the ones that benefit you and let you
manipulate the situation you are facing.




in a debate with sri ravishankarji (who is not a hindu
religious leader) he was critical of hinduism.....ravishankarji smiled
and said 'each to his own beliefs'....
Thats why he wrote such a book about Islam.


and THAT is a typical hindu
response...you pray to your God the way you want.....i dont have any
desire to convert you to a 'true' or 'false' religion....what YOU
believe is YOUR truth.....and thats where islam can never be the same
as hinduism....because you are out on a mission that the world will
never let succeed....
When you have all the reasons to believe in Islam, then why not ?
Why to live the whole life decieveing oneself.




+++++ Kill the unbelievers - said by Allah through jibreel and
Mo....explain that to me first and i may believe you !!!
Answered Above


+++++ What an egoistic God !!! LoL....pamper me or I will punish you ?
Sorry....Dharmic religions dont believe in stuff like that....too bad
you can only see what you have learnt till now...read about
hinduism/buddhism first....and then i am sure we can discuss.
When you have reasons to believe in GOD, you should. Its not about
pampering GOD. Its about accepting whats from GOD and acting to HIS
will.. thats what matters..
As far Hinduism is concerned, i m willing, but you mostly skip things..
you havent told about about the incarnation criterion..





++++++ I believe in MY God.....it doesnt have to be the hindu Gods or
the muslim God....despite this belief....i still remain a hindu and no
hindu has a problem with me....samjhe makhzumi mian ? Ya shayad...tum
kabhi nahi samjhoge.....kyunki tum mujhe convert kiye bina apna maqsad
poora nahi samajh sakte.....tum mujhe mere beliefs ke saath nahi chodd
sakte....tum mujhe pyaar se, sword se ya kisi bhi tarike se convert
kiye bina allah ke paas kaise jaoge....hai na ? LoL
Yar mera koi Mission India nahin hai.. dekho.. there is no harm in
discussion.. Is it bad to clear each others doubt.. is it bad to
discuss such things instead of flamming and fighting ?
Neither I am any molwi.. told u before, i was just tresspassing and saw
people flamming Islam.. thats something I cannot see like you cannot
see hinduism getting flammed... and please dont call me a moulvi..




++++++ Whats the point in 'purchasing' goods before you get to see them
? I would believe in the popularity of islam when you allow a
'sampling' of the product before one buys it !!! LoL....no one loves
islam today....you know it...i know it...you will kill someone for
abandoning islam, wont you ? Why ?
There are two references on that.. One says killing, other says dont.
Such punishment is kept so that in moments of weak faith, one doesnt
get on wrong path.. thats why..
Islam is the true religion, certified by modern science.

Jerkovski, I shall be grateful if you reply to my queries instead of
starting another discussion.
And please, have the guts to accept the truth even if it goes against
your religion. Dont act on it, if you like that way, but atleast accept
it.

.

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