Re: Why Are You So Bodoh, Nazri?

Can't blame him for it. He was born BODOH. His parents are bodoh too and it
was thus most likely he became bodoh. His training in law was probably a
huge joke
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Why Are You So Bodoh, Nazri?
16 August 2007 | 1,681 Views
Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Nazri Aziz says the Cabinet
has
not accepted "Wee Meng Chee's apology for the furore caused by his
Negaraku rap
videoclip on video-sharing web portal YouTube."

He says the government wants "the law . to take its course".

Ok. Whatever.

But Nazri also wants action:

. taken against YouTube and bloggers for posting images and contents that
overstepped the boundaries on sensitive issues.

Asked how this was possible since YouTube and some blogs were based
overseas, he
said: "If YouTube is operating in this country, or if there are contents
posted
from this country, then we can do so through the means of government
licensing.
If they are operating from another country, then we have to find ways."

He said the A-G and police should investigate these sites, and if there
are no
provisions in the current laws to take action against them, then new laws
will
be enacted. [The Sun]

Ok. I suppose if bloggers contravene the law, even if the law is unfair
and
unjust, then they should be prepared to face punishment.

But what is nonsense, what is ridiculous, and what shows that Nazri,
despite
trying to sound smart, knows bugger all, is his call for action to be
taken
against YouTube.

He might be trained in the law, but it is obvious his training did not
account
for advances such as the Internet.

In this instance, to borrow his own words, Nazri is clearly "Bodoh! Bodoh!
Bodoh!" MERDEKA!

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27 Responses to "Why Are You So Bodoh, Nazri?"
1 RaZmaTaZ 16 August 2007 @ 6:02 pm

Aisehman! You inclined to towards the government's view? Over a video
parody?

What Namewee did is not different than what you bloggers do. Only
difference is
that he used audio visual media while you bloggers stick with visuals
only.

Freedom of speech - Yes! Freedom to publish - Yes! Just as we have the
freedom
to choose (to view or read) and the freedom to form an opinion.

MERDEKA? Why do we wanna follow the Americans. We were independent before
the
Portugese, Dutch, British and Japs came. Happy National (Birthday) Day
Malaysia!

2 kent 16 August 2007 @ 7:05 pm

I am just curious. Let's compare PKFZ and Wee Chee Meng. Which is a
wake-up
call? Which is more damaging/beneficial to the country or its people?

So which case got the ultra swift action from our "We are not in the
business of
cheating" government?

"Another way of singing a song and highlight his predicament" or "an
excess of
4bil cost overrun for, for..donno for what."

Smart peoples all around us.

3 yum 16 August 2007 @ 7:18 pm

Man, our Cabinet of minsters (sic) have descended to a new low. What's a
bunch
of grown up, middle-aged balding men and overweight women going after a
gnat of
an individual.

Pick on something your own size for a change. How's about you minsters do
something about this gigantic hell-hole of an economic death spiral we're
in?

Oh right, this namewee thingy is just a case of the tail wagging the dog.
Trying
to deflect the attention, perhaps? IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID. Yes, you
Nazri.

Merdeka!

4 Moses Foo 16 August 2007 @ 7:24 pm

Membazir duit bapak saja menghantar ke sekolah undang-undang.yang jadi
ialah
loyar buruk.

5 walla 16 August 2007 @ 8:20 pm

As with the other bozos in Umno, Nazri's reaction is only cutaneous.

Nobody parodies the national anthem and flag unless driven by disgust over
the
national state of affairs so why not understudy first how it is that we
have
come to that stage of expression? Do a candid self-analysis first of why
people
would go to that extent after fifty years of merdeka. Only when the
analysis is
complete then think the next course of action, if any. For someone to make
such
drastic remarks, something must have snapped somewhere. The persons are
not
alone. That is something politicians like Nazri in the govt should think
about
first. It may be cathartic but it is better to turn something negative
into
something positive, rather than give the first hypocritical nationalistic
reaction that comes to mind.

What we are seeing here is something at the interface between the old way
of
thinking about things like nationalism, and the new way of cutting out the
bull*** using expression unbinded by technology. From what has come out
from
those bozo's, they ain't got it, they have lost their way, they have found
themselves unequal to the rakyat. In the old era, you type something on
paper
and pin it on some tree. Someone in shorts will take it down, bring it
back and
check the manual for a travesty of law. In the new era, it's just a click
away.
There's no paper, no trees, no ink. And the dissemination is
instantaneous.
Today you may have youtube. Tomorrow, morphing technologies may converge
and
then everyone who knows how to use the web can become an online video
director
no different from Pixar or even Dreamworks. Then what? What charge can you
bring
on something which is a cartoon, or just a depiction?

The old ways were based on laws predicated on an unsullied government. If
the
government is sullied, shouldn't the mischief makers be celebrated instead
for
raking up thought so that improvements can be made? Different paths can
lead to
the same door. Why close those one disagrees with? If the essence of a
good
legal system is going to be sacrificed so that politicians will appear to
look
good as nationalists, what type of nationalism is served when bad things
continue to be made in its name?

The bottomline is stark naked simple: be transparent and be accountable.
These
are the pillars holding up the word 'integrity'. Research a bit more and
you
will find their connection to islamic roots.

If a govt is transparent, accountable and clean, it is like light
constantly
shining on it. You don't need to rummage for any remote control to switch
off
anything.

People can't write or show bad things about goodness. They will instantly
lose
their credibility if they try.

Nazri, isn't this a more sensible line of thought?

Now, is there a book somewhere on how to become a porn director?

6 rocky 16 August 2007 @ 9:32 pm

Aisehman,

Totally agree with you man. The guy is UK trained but what a waste of
money.

7 juslo 17 August 2007 @ 7:25 am

Aisehman u havent spoken against Namewee's antics.

i personally think that the 'boy' is RACIST n a BIGOT, in the things he
said
against islam, muslims and malays. yes, he might b immature or didn't
think deep
enough about the matter, but those r only explanations, NOT
justifications.

(i agree with his criticisms about the unfair way in which chinese r
treated in
this country, though. but still, just bcos your message got substance
doesn't
mean u have a free license to insult others in such a broad-brush n,
frankly,
insulting way. but i disagree that he should b punished by law. to me,
free
speech includes the right to insult, but doesnt include the right to b
free from
being attacked - with speech - in return for what he has said.)

yes, he has just apologised. but that should only mean that maybe, the
authorities should forgive him, but it doesnt mean we cannot/should not
criticise him, with speech.

so go ahead n fire away, my friend. this guy should n deserved to b
screwed -
like how furiously u did about the racist ad ('only chinese need apply' -
remember?) a while ago . (which i agree that chinese should ADMIT that
many of
them r racist, but disagree that therefore, that should justify nep or
other
races to b racist as a response.)

here's a translation of his own rap, translated by himself.

http://namewee.blogspot.com/2007/08/hello-semua-orang-melayu-sila-tengok.html

8 lucia 17 August 2007 @ 10:34 am

oh gee so i see juslo is one of those sensitive and easily get insulted
person.
ok ok i know you or others will ask "what if it is your religion/race that
is
insulted?" i had answered that partly in that blog post of mine.

aisehman, it looks like you and i have the same mind as this was what i
wanted
to blog on last night - about nazri. i wanted to put the heading 'the
bodoh
minister is really bodoh' and talk about his intention of sueing youtube.
unfortunately last night my streamyx was down so can't do it. ok so this
means i
concur with you here regarding nazri.

9 frankie 17 August 2007 @ 10:55 am

Compared to what was said during the UMNO assembly and what the guy sang,
I
still think the keris inflamed speeches were still much more spicier. What
the
heck, the ministers love so much to play up such issues, somebody has to
be the
fall guy, the rapper has to take the rap. Screw him, lynch him, castrate
him,
otherwise the attention will be on PKFZ, then the government will really
be
screwed!!

10 yh 17 August 2007 @ 11:41 am

i have gone thru the video a few times and my reading is that the gist of
the
video is to reflect the on-going sad affairs in the country. inciting
hatred or
against religion? no, I dont feel that was the intended message of the
video.
and this chest thumping by the ministers is no more an attempt to deflect
more
current critical issues like the massive corruption in PKA and rejection
of the
candidate for the post of Chief Judge of Malaya by the royalty. Shouldnt
these
issues be more important?

11 Mlights 17 August 2007 @ 2:13 pm

As a muslim and malay i didnt find it a bit insulting cos what he rapped
about
was true. sometimes we need to laugh at ourselves. chill la.

12 juslo 17 August 2007 @ 3:07 pm

lucia,

'sensitive and easily get insulted person'.

this is irrelevant, bcos NEITHER I NOR MY RACE/RELIGION was insulted by
Namewee.
just as a HUMAN BEING, pure n simple, i think what this boy did was
INSULTING n
RACIST - that's a FAIR OPINION, whether i'm 'easily' insulted or not.
hell, it's
a FACT, even - Namewee himself was MOCKING the morning sermon/call to
prayers
broadcasted from the mosque by the way he 'sings' the national anthem n
what he
said about 'morning call', 'voice cracking' n 'duet'.

frankly, i FEEL ANNOYED by the loud morning sermons/call to prayers too.
indeed,
thank god i've moved to a 'more queit' neighbourhood (but i didn't move
for THAT
reason). in fact, i think it's very inconsiderate for ANY community to
wake
everybody up just bcos THAT PARTICULAR community want to do something
(prayer in
this case). they're doing this solely bcos they feel that it's an islamic
state,
so it's their god-given right (literally) to b so loud 'in our own land'.

but to criticise/'tegur' is one thing, to MOCK is another. let's b
honest -
Namewee WANTED TO PROVOKE. he INTENDED to insult. (he has apologised,
fine, but
we're talking about PAST ACTIONS, about FACTS.)

i think it's very unreasonable to expect anybody to just feel 'not
insulted/angry' about it. he has a right to express HIS anger, others too
should
have the right to express THEIR anger towards the MANNER of his
expression.
isn't that fair?

u can't ask me to pretend i didn't hear what u've said to insult me, u
can't ask
me to pretend that i'm happy when i'm not. freedom of speech must go hand
in
hand with freedom to b angry. n i think most people accept that.

but, i think the reason why most people r very 'worried' the moment
muslims/malays get angry is bcos when they get angry, their ACTIONS can b
'scary'. i think this is lucia's real worry, as she said in her post
above:

'get all worked up over some small matter. and go protest, demo, report
police
and so on.'

i guess most people r not happy about the way muslims EXPRESS THEIR ANGER
(which
tends to b emotional n talk in an extreme manner, like 'we invented
amok'),
that's y they try to 'pre-empt' by saying that muslims should not get
angry in
the first place. but i think most people can accept that there's nothing
wrong
with FEELING ANGRY AND REACT IN RESPONSE, SO LONG AS the response doesn't
get
violent/too emotional/abuse your legal powers to arrest n so on.

i really think it's NOT RIGHT AND NOT FAIR for us to say that no
muslim/malay
should get angry this time. i think they r FULLY ENTITLED TO. just don't
abuse
your power, legal or not. u can ask them to 'calm down' (n please don't
over-react) but u CANNOT ask them not to FEEL. that's MORALLY UNTENABLE.

but my feeling about the reaction of most chinese to this episode is, 1
word -
VERY DISAPPOINTED.

what they did is NO DIFFERENT FROM what many muslims do when we criticise
muslim
terrorists - just divert attention, attack the messenger (what gives u the
right
to criticise me while u christians/umno youth just did the same thing in
the
last crusade/umno assembly.), change the subject, ask u to look at the
'root
cause', blah blah blah. it seems that muslims n chinese, they r ALL THE
SAME
when it comes to running away from talking responsibilities or properly
assign
the blames.

look - if anyone wants others to empathise with them (as WE ALL in a
multi-ethnic society do), we should take an OBJECTIVE PERSPECTIVE in
WHATEVER we
say/do. we can't just accuse the 'others' for not criticising 'their own
people'
without WE OURSELVES doing the same when our own people do the same.

there's NO EXCUSE for this double standard.

what i said last time to Marina M should apply in the same way to the
CHINESE
this time. just substitute 'muslims' for chinese, n u'll see the 'family
resemblance'.

no wonder anwar ibrahim said 'we r all 1 family'. how true.

Monday, July 16, 2007
The Other Side of Lal Masjid
http://rantingsbymm.blogspot.com/2007/07/other-side-of-lal-masjid.html

'my suggestion to all good muslims out there is, before u want to talk
about
'root cause', DISTANCE YOURSELVES from these MONSTERS N ANIMALS. ONLY
THEN, talk
about whatever 'root cause' u want to talk about, but b clear in your mind
that
that would b a POLITICAL N ECONOMIC discussion, NOT about religion
anymore.'

13 juslo 17 August 2007 @ 3:15 pm

lucia (in her post over at her blog),

'namewee was just speaking out about the different voice/tone of the azan
prayer
- like this also can get insulted??'

u think i/muslims r STUPID kah???

GET REAL. STOP LIVING IN DENIAL OR JUST TRYING TO PLAY DOWN/JUSTIFY THE
OFFENCE.
this is VERY DISHONEST.

14 shar 17 August 2007 @ 3:33 pm

Ahhhh! NA wanna score brownie points lah.

Taking action on YouTube is like taking action on the BBC (which ZM tried
recently).

And the AG will be shaking his head and law books trying to conjure a
solution.

Meanwhile, PKFZ plus other pressing issues get sidelined.

15 Oh oh . tatayo! 17 August 2007 @ 4:07 pm

Personally I don't think Nazri is bodoh at all. He's a smart cookie. He
knows
that only the "small minority" like aisehman's blog readers will see
through his
tirade.

He's just playing to the gallery, knowing full well that the 'less
informed'
will follow his lead to go up against the likes of YouTube.

Just like how Md Taib claimed that "foreign organisations" were paying
bloggers
thousands of ringgit a month. You know how juicy that sounds in the Malay
mainstream papers! That's what Nazri is doing too.

The bulk of their voters think like that. Sadly enough.

16 lucia 17 August 2007 @ 5:21 pm

nope juslo, i don't think muslim are stupid at all. i think muslim (some)
are
sensitive.

what i said was what namewee, as a singer, had explained:

==Sekali lagi saya menerangkan bahawa saya tidak mengkritik apa-apa sahaja
termasuk agama.Salah satu dari bahagian lirik saya ada mengatakan yang
sebahagian orang islam melafazkan Al-Quran out of tune, ada pula yang
pecah
nada, dan ada yang macam kokokan ayam.Lirik-lirik yang saya huraikan
diatas,
saya ada menyatakan SEBAHAGIAN dari mereka yang melafazkan Al-Quran dan
bukannya
semua orang. Saya sebagai seorang ahli muzik senang bagi saya membezakan
penyanyi yang out of tune ataupun pecah nada. Sekali lagi saya menerangkan
yang
saya TIDAK mengkritik sebarang tentang agama tetapi saya cuma menyuarakan
kemahiran mereka di bahagian nyanyi seperti apabila kami dengar
kawan-kawan kita
nyanyi tidak bagus dan menyuarakan pendapat sahaja.===

dishonest? nope. i had mentioned in my blog i did find the azan irritating
and
had times made fun of it too. nope i'm not in a state of denial. it's the
gomen
who is always swimming in the river of nile (as i like to say in place of
'denial'. de-nial = the nile) when they refused to acknowledged what
namewee
voiced out in his rap is the true situation of the country. at least
according
to namewee and me. see, i'm honest.

17 Sihaya 17 August 2007 @ 7:26 pm

Aiseh,

Angry or not, have you prepared a solid legal rebuttal that you're not
defaming
the guy by associating a swastika within an article that primarily
discusses his
person, especially when his person's name rings uncannily similar to
"Nazi"?

Just watching your back for you. What would I read if they take you down?

18 juslo 18 August 2007 @ 1:23 pm

lucia,

by quoting the bull*** reason Namewee gave, u didn't actually answer my
question. if u honestly buy that kind of crap, then u too r insulting
everybody's - especially muslims' - intelligence.

this is dian dao shi fei (invert right and wrong), zhi lù weí ma (Point at
a
deer and call it a horse. Meaning: Deliberately twisting the truth for
ulterior
motives.)

to me, this is just 'jiau bian' (bullshitting)!!

look, (if u have kids, u'll understand this much better;) answer this:

if YOUR little boy is mocking others' religious practices (n is SO DAMN
PROUD of
it that he even broadcasted his antic to the entire neighbourhood), r u
telling
me that u won't tell him off?? r u telling me that he was NOT RUDE???!!!!
would
u not ask him to say sorry?!

if YOUR little boy is saying that ALL women r sluts, is he not
INSULTING??! how
is this different from Namewee making general criticisms of the malays??
he
didn't just say '1 or 2' malays.

if YOUR little boy says that ALL old people r useless, would u just KEEP
QUIET
or just ask all the old people who have heard it to 'don't b so
sensitive'?!!

DON'T U THINK U SHOULD TELL YOUR BOY THAT HE'S GOT BAD MANNERS, WAS RUDE
(wu
li), OFFENSIVE AND SHOULD APOLOGISE?? isn't this what u should teach your
kids??!!

shouldn't u, as a good mother, instead teach him how to ming bian shi fei
(Make
a clear distinction between right and wrong)? instead of teaching him how
to
evade responsibility by being ingenious n talking more bull*** trying to
get
away with it.

n if that's someone else's kid, would u not feel that this kid is KURANG
AJAR
(even if he's not talking about your race/religion n u just overheard what
he
said), n want to complain to the kid's parents??

if that kid's parents say u r 'oversensitive', u'll just accept it??

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT - i DON'T think Namewee was wrong to voice his
message,
BUT i do think he's wrong to do it this way.

to try to f**king evade n condone such rude (wu li) behaviours would make
even
confucius ASHAMED of being a chinese.

19 Frank 18 August 2007 @ 9:50 pm

hei juslo, get a life man.

that guy have apologized, what else those racist morons want? c4 him?

20 kent 19 August 2007 @ 5:17 pm

"to try to f**king evade n condone such rude (wu li) behaviours would make
even
confucius ASHAMED of being a chinese."

Whats it any different with you? After One moron,
and its confucius thats ashamed to be chinese?

Just point to me any part of the song which is untrue or blatant lie. I m
slow
in comprehension. But i get his meaning of this: Durian is delicious but
it is
smelly too, at least for some.

Which part of the song did he mocks anybody's religion? i dont get it,
again pls
point to me. All i heard is he complain his neighbour keep waking him up
early
in the morning.

"he didn't just say '1 or 2? malays" I agree, but he didnt say all either.
But
really, its from his perspective.

Take this scenario. Mentioned terrorism. Would religion preach that? I
believe
not. But really, associate terrorist with religion, what came into your
perspective? wait a sec. I havent say anyone or anything, so choose your
wording
carefully!

Why not look into root cause why he even bother to create such a stupid
song,
which get a whole bunch of cili-lover jumping up and down. relaxla brader.

"MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT - i DON'T think Namewee was wrong to voice his
message, BUT i do think he's wrong to do it this way."

I have to agree with you on this :). But hey, tell me, what is the RIGHT
way of
doing it? Should it be in a form of ballad instead of rap?

brader, relax man. cili is hot to those that eat it. Just dont take too
much of
it. if you insist, take it with a bit of salt.

21 Sihaya 20 August 2007 @ 2:56 pm

"Negarakuku" sounded a little disingenuous to put it charitably. But when
placed
in context with his other ditty, "Kawanku", then surely a sinister pattern
must
emerge in the most fair of minds.

Should race hate be excused in lieu of corruption prosecutions?

22 juslo 21 August 2007 @ 9:35 am

Sihaya,

i agree that "Kawanku" is hate speech, but i think Namewee's intention is
not as
clear as 'Negarakuku'. he prefaced "Kawanku" with "hey, i'm singing this
just
for fun ('song'), ok? so if u want to listen, don't get pissed, ya?" so, i
would
regard it as just an adolescent's 'prank' meant for the enjoyment of a
limited
circle of friends, instead of for general protest/'public consumption'
like
'Negarakuku'.

besides, he can always deny that he sang "Kawanku" because you can't see
his
face there.

n frankly, if u understand mandarin as well, u'll get the feeling that
this guy
is anti a lot of people, not just malays. he also attacked
cantonese-speaking
chinese in kl (with vulgar language - 'diu nei ya!', which means f**k you!
not
so kasar when it comes to the part about malays) n singaporeans, basically
saying that they r fragile n useless n stupid - they actually live under a
communist country, no difference between lee kwan yew n mao tze dong, yet
they
don't realise it.

so, although i agree he's directly racist in "Kawanku", i don't think the
offence is as big.

--------

Frank,

read my earlier comments above - i DID say that he's apologised, BUT i
only want
us - ESPECIALLY CHINESE who support him - to acknowledge that this guy was
racist. just bcos chinese like what he said doesnt mean he's therefore
flawless.
if u also agree that he was racist, then we r in full agreement.

--------

kent,

confucius would b ashamed if chinese just want to achieve their wishes
while
forgetting manners n refusing to make distinction between right n wrong.

'ming bian shi fei' (Make a clear distinction between right and wrong),
NOT
'dian dao shi fei' (invert right and wrong) or 'zhi lù weí ma' (Point at a
deer
and call it a horse.)

please get this - THIS ASPECT of my criticisms is against those who defend
Namewee without acknowledging where he went wrong, NOT AGAINST Namewee
himself
as such.

"Just point to me any part of the song which is untrue or blatant lie."

r u saying that ALL malays r lazy, useless, fully dependent on government
n
still have to b breast-fed?

ALL those who work in government service r like what he said - lazy n
wasting
time? while i agree that i do face frustrations like that on many
occassion, i
have to say it's not as bad as it used to b. many civil servants (mostly
malays)
r very helpful n efficient too.

yes, he didn't say 'all' malays, but he was STEREOTYPING. he could have
said
'sometimes', 'some of them' or even 'many of them'.

whether he's 'lying or not' is not the point - i'm against his MANNER, not
his
MESSAGE, GET IT??? he's RACIST. to me, the moment u stereotype people by
their
race/religion, that's wrong.

this part is RACIST AND INSULTING:

Mereka yang memakai tudung perlahan-lahan melintas jalan
Engkau yang memandu kenalah berhati-hati
Asalkan hidup dengan gembira asalkan hidup dengan selesa
Jangan macam orang cina
Tiap-tiap hari sibuk sangat susah

- 'malays r lazy, unlike chinese', that's the basic message. if u don't
think
this is racist, then i think i'm debating with the wrong person bcos u
don't
share my values.

"Which part of the song did he mocks anybody's religion? i dont get it,
again
pls point to me. All i heard is he complain his neighbour keep waking him
up
early in the morning."

u obviously just went BLIND at the scene where he was trying to compare
the
'kokokan ayam' with morning call to prayer:

"Ada juga suara yang macam kokokan ayam tetapi dia bangun lagi awal dari
ayam"

n r u telling me that the following parts r not MOCKING?

"Kadang-kadang beberapa 'buah' nyanyi sama-sama
macam tengah duet lagu cinta
Suara tinggi rendah macam tengah nyanyi R&B
Walaupun kadang kala sebahagian daripada mereka out of tune
Walaupun kadang kala sebahagian daripada mereka pecah suara"

r&b, duet, cracking voice - that's not mocking??

if someone says that buddhist chanting is like singing boring, monotonous
oldies
while listening to christian preaching is like listening to AAB talking,
buddhists n christians r supposed to NOT FEEL ANYTHING? they cant get
ANGRY??

"Why not look into root cause why he even bother to create such a stupid
song,
which get a whole bunch of cili-lover jumping up and down."

'root cause'? here we go again.
please read my comments at marina m's page, above.

in short - DON'T EVADE THE QUESTION OR DIVERT ATTENTION LAH. forget about
the
'causes', 'history', blah blah.. JUST ANSWER ME - racist or not??

"But hey, tell me, what is the RIGHT way of doing it? Should it be in a
form of
ballad instead of rap?"

u can do that. the form is not the key here - it's the MANNER u do it. he
CAN b
sarcastic, like the part on 'mata' (police). i think that part was
BRILLIANT.
but don't make fun of people's race n religion lah.

one fine example is dr lim teck gee previously of ASLI, by his report on
bumi
equity. he used facts, n just asked the questions. no emotion involved.
then,
the other side was forced to come up with all sorts of moronic reasons
such as
'par value calculation', making themselves laughing stocks AND, they have
NO
EXCUSE to get angry - with all the FACTS staring at their faces.

that was BRILLIANT, if u ask me. everybody could see their absurdity, n
many of
my bumi friends r speechless, or even say that these corrupt n stupid
leaders r
making them ashamed of being malays.

to top it off, dr lim had the backbone to resign when ASLI 'retracted' the
report. i'm sure confucious would have praised him.

but then again, i guess u can say, the sad thing about this whole episode
is,
most people have many frustration to vent n want to say it in the 'proper'
way
thru the 'proper channel' (like behind closed-doors bn meetings - yeah
right),
but they r not allowed to do so. if mca/chinese leaders r going to air
chinese
frustration in public, chinese assembly halls everywhere will receive bomb
threats, all the monkeys will start thumping their chests.

so we end up here - only a nobody adolescent is courageous enough to say
it (BUT
STILL, the manner is improper) while the adults r just too damn coward to
speak
up, n say it thru the generally-NON-accessible channels.

DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH MY ASS.

but when a racial group is being forced to use such 'desperate means' to
voice
their feelings, it shows that they have lost hope/have been disillusioned
with
the system. they've chosen to go outside of the system, n slowly withdraw
themselves.

that's a very sad state of affairs. n from that angle, Namewee's actions
r,
STILL NOT PROPER, but i guess u can say UNDERSTANDABLE (bcos the 'proper'
way is
not open/is dead).

"brader, relax man. cili is hot to those that eat it. Just dont take too
much of
it. if you insist, take it with a bit of salt."

that's no way to foster unity n understanding, bro. we have to talk
without
insulting/angering. either they want to listen to your honest opinion, or
they
don't. if they don't, adding insults will not achieve your purposes, would
it?

look, it's a FINE LINE to draw - how to b critical n honest n frank
without
hurting people's feelings or arousing emotions/anger, so that people can
just
deal with the issue n no opportunists could take advantage of the
situation.

BUT draw it WE MUST, because the balance between racial harmony n national
unity
AND freedom of speech n criticism of the unfairness in our society, hinges
on
it.

23 kent 22 August 2007 @ 2:08 am

Hi Juslo,

You are getting edgy. What he comments gets you jumping and frus. But
really,
put yourself in his position, I think you would jump twice as high, many
times
as frus. (Both: His current position of being sued and his position as in
the
predication he faces in song)

"r u saying that ALL malays r lazy, useless, fully dependent on government
n
still have to b breast-fed?"

Dont you think NEP is a form of breast-feed? Don't you think institutional
color
scheme is a form of dependent on govt? Don't you think a Malay can be
filthy
rich and an indian can be down right poor? I have to stress again he didnt
say
ALL.

"ALL those who work in government service r like what he said - lazy n
wasting
time? while i agree that i do face frustrations like that on many
occassion, i
have to say it's not as bad as it used to b. many civil servants (mostly
malays)
r very helpful n efficient too."

Again, thats his perspective. Take a look at my association of terrorism
and
religion. how come I am able to make such association? You face it
yourself you
said. Well, dont you think they need further improvement? Pls take critism
at
face value.

"yes, he didn't say 'all' malays, but he was STEREOTYPING. he could have
said
'sometimes', 'some of them' or even 'many of them'"

Hey pal, relax! This argument getting childish. Its a song for god-sake.
it
needs rythm. some, many, whatever. He didnt say ALL. Its general
perception: you
can even ask malay, or refer to my association.

"whether he's 'lying or not' is not the point - i'm against his MANNER,
not his
MESSAGE, GET IT??? he's RACIST. to me, the moment u stereotype people by
their
race/religion, that's wrong."

He did not lie. That is the point. Manner or manners are individual
perception.
in fact, Now you r inserting your perception. slurping your soup loudly is
bad
manners for some but its great manners in Japan. Which cili do you take?
Which
cili is hot? I see the way you write is bad manners?

"this part is RACIST AND INSULTING:

Mereka yang memakai tudung perlahan-lahan melintas jalan
Engkau yang memandu kenalah berhati-hati
Asalkan hidup dengan gembira asalkan hidup dengan selesa
Jangan macam orang cina
Tiap-tiap hari sibuk sangat susah

Juslo wrote:
"'malays r lazy, unlike chinese', that's the basic message. if u don't
think
this is racist, then i think i'm debating with the wrong person bcos u
don't
share my values.""

Thats what he see. Thats what he sing. no arguement. Why he has such
perception?
Try ask an indonesian? Let's revert your sentence: "Malay r lazy, unlike
Chinese." Lets change the word malay with chinese and vice versa. How does
that
sounds to you? You have some reflection to do.

{"u obviously just went BLIND at the scene where he was trying to compare
the
'kokokan ayam' with morning call to prayer"

"Ada juga suara yang macam kokokan ayam tetapi dia bangun lagi awal dari
ayam"

n r u telling me that the following parts r not MOCKING?

"Kadang-kadang beberapa 'buah' nyanyi sama-sama
macam tengah duet lagu cinta
Suara tinggi rendah macam tengah nyanyi R&B
Walaupun kadang kala sebahagian daripada mereka out of tune
Walaupun kadang kala sebahagian daripada mereka pecah suara"

r&b, duet, cracking voice - that's not mocking??}

Err. Does he mocks anyone's religion? You had me there. Try flip through
Quran.
Does it has the word loudspeaker or amplifier in it? If its not there i
don't
think he mocks any religion. if its not there, is he being victimised by
you?

"if someone says that buddhist chanting is like singing boring, monotonous
oldies while listening to christian preaching is like listening to AAB
talking,
buddhists n christians r supposed to NOT FEEL ANYTHING? they cant get
ANGRY??"

If thats the case, I would laugh like hell cos these people are so
ignorant. I m
not angry. I would pity them for their ignorant. Only certain cili eater
get
angry easily.

"in short - DON'T EVADE THE QUESTION OR DIVERT ATTENTION LAH. forget about
the
'causes', 'history', blah blah.. JUST ANSWER ME - racist or not??"

All i see is he is blurting out what he sees. How his environment affected
him,
drive him to break out of the iron cage, pour out his feeling. I actually
pity
him. It's your choice to brand his whatever you like. But please put a
mirror in
front of u b4 comment.

"u can do that. the form is not the key here - it's the MANNER u do it. he
CAN b
sarcastic, like the part on 'mata' (police). i think that part was
BRILLIANT.
but don't make fun of people's race n religion lah."

Oh, for manners please refer up there. for religion, look up there again.
make
fun? i dont see him enjoying it. But You are.

24 juslo 22 August 2007 @ 11:08 am

kent,

"Again, thats his perspective."
"Its general perception"
"Thats what he see."

if that's his perception, then, by MY DEFINITION (u can disagree), he is
STEREOTYPING, n that's RACIST.

"don't use 1 bamboo stick to overthrow the whole boat of passengers." u
should
understand that popular saying, right?

"I see the way you write is bad manners?"

i've never claimed that i'm polite. n i don't give a *** about being
polite.
I'M RUDE, n i speak TO HURT, TO OFFEND.

but u're ad hominem here, my friend.

ad ho·mi·nem
[ad hom-uh-nuhm?nem, ahd-]
-adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather
than to
one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

"He did not lie. That is the point."

i DIDN'T say he lied. that's MY point.
n i don't think u understand the point i was making. i said,

"please get this - THIS ASPECT of my criticisms is against those who
defend
Namewee without acknowledging where he went wrong, NOT AGAINST Namewee
himself
as such."

if u still don't get it, then forget it.

u can have the last word if u want, i'll stop here. if people understand
my
point, fine. if not, also fine.

25 kent 22 August 2007 @ 2:14 pm

"i've never claimed that i'm polite. n i don't give a *** about being
polite.
I'M RUDE, n i speak TO HURT, TO OFFEND."

Well. Its a pot calling a kettle black. You have such a brilliant
write-up. I
don't think namewee claimed that his MANNERS is polite, in fact like you,
he
claimed otherwise. I expect no more criticism from you.

I have countered all your nonsense as an excuse to hurt and to offend. You
can
barely offer any concrete counter-pointer or any dimly reasonable excuses
at
all.

From my perspective, You are worse than Namewee by "trying hard" to
victimise
him. Of coz, without much substance, you failed miserably.

26 kent 23 August 2007 @ 5:18 pm

"but u're ad hominem here, my friend."

"1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather
than to
one's intellect or reason."

I gave you one long list of reasons and you cant even stand on one. That
goes a
long way to show your intellect or lack of it. All we hear is nonsense and
insults from you. The (no. 1)extracted by you, posted by you, and
described you
WELL!

"2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument."

This also fit in nicely for you. You keep insulting namewee but cant even
answer
a single argument from me without more insults.

Thanks for the "Ad hominem". I was trying to find this word to describe
you

[deleted - Aisehman]

27 juslo 24 August 2007 @ 12:46 pm

[deleted - Aisehman]
Aisehman - if it's about me, let it be. i don't really mind.
(your liberty whether to publish this comment or not. thanks.)



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