Re: Lebanon: A Failed State?

Hezbollah took over an Israeli
post. Why should Israel then declare war on all Lebanon other than
the plan they already had concucted? More over why should Israeli
planes destroy all of Lebanon, at least vital parts all over Lebanon,
while Hezbollah was in South Lebanon? Why Israel had to slaughter
women and children in South Lebanon knowingly?


I agree that Israel's reaction to the soldiers abduction was out
of proportion and the result of that failed war was the destruction
of large parts of Lebanon as well as the death of many innocents.


Hezbollah acted with
restraints. Israel acted with viciousness.


Hizbollah purposely provoked <<<<<<PROVOKED IS INCORRECT AS THE PLAN
WAS TO BE EXECUTED BY ISRAEL YEARS BEFORE. THAT WAS AN EXCUSE ONLY
FOR DESTROYING LEBANON.>>>>>the mad Israeli reaction. But both sides
erred in engaging in a very destructive war.<<<<LAND AND PERSONS ARE
HELD BY ISRAEL WITHOUT RECOURSE.>>>>>>


Ask yourself why?

If you read the articles I quoted from the Associated Press, these
articles indicate that the United States of America is the main
stakeholder and determined party to install a government in Lebanon as
a proxy for it and Israel. Fuad Saniora is the main agent who is
holding a position against the written constitution of Lebanon.



You know little about Lebanon's constitution. <<<<<REPORTER WITH
INSIDE KNOWLEDGE FROM USA AND LEBANON MADE THE ASSESSMENT. I
PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW THE CONSTITUTION OF LEBANON. SOMEONE WROTE
THAT THERE IS AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION ALONG WITH THE WRITTEN ONE.
THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS WISHY-WASHY.>>>>> Prime minister Sanioura has
adhered to the letter and spirit of our constitution. <<<<KNOWLEDGE OF
THOSE REPORTING SAYS THE VERY OPPOSITE. ALSO LAHUD STATED THAT
TOO.>>>>
Hizbollah smuggles arms illegally into Lebanon, <<<<<<I AM GLAD THEY
CAN DO SO BECAUSE THE LEBANESE ARMY CANNOT STAND ISRAELI VIOLENCE.
SOUTH LEBANON WOULD AGAIN BE IN THE HANDS OF ISRAEL HAD IT NOT BEEN
DEFENDED BY PEOPLE LIKE HEZBOLLAH. HEZBOLLAH IS THE RIGHT METHOD TO
FIGHT AN ENEMY FAR SUPERIOR TO LEBANESE FORCES WHICH ARE GOOD FOR ONLY
CIVILIAN POPULATION. HEZBOLLAH SHOULD ARM ITSELF WELL ANYWHERE IT CAN
GET WEAPONS. IT GETS WEAPONS FROM RUSSIA TOO. THE MORE THE MERRIER.
LACK OF HEZBOLLAH IS THE WESTERN HEGEMONY OVER LEBANON AND OVER THE
OTHER ARAB AND ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. HEZBOLLAH SHOULD GET MORE
SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS FOR THE NEXT FIGHT. WITH ISRAEL ON THE SOUTH OF
LEBANON THERE WILL BE NO PEACE.>>>>>>start wars and
intimidate the government with their weapons <<<<<SANIORA'S GOVERNMENT
IS ILLEGAL AND CORRUPT. IT IS DIRECTED BY ISRAEL AND THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. USING ARAB AGAINST ARAB IS A
USEFUL MEANS TO COLONIZE AND SUBJUGATE.>>>>>at the service
of Iran and Syria<<<HEZBOLLAH MAY HAVE SUCH CONNECTION BUT IT IS AN
INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION OPERATING ON ITS OWN INITIATIVES OTHERWISE
YOU WOULD DECLARE WAR ON SYRIA AND IRAN.>>>>>> They have no room to
talk about legality or
legitimacy. <<<<THEY SURELY ARE OPERATING WITHIN THE LEBANESE
LEGALITY. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE LEGALLY.>>>>They are
the ones that are barring the parliament
from meeting to fulfill their constitutional duties<<<<<THEY ARE
OPERATING WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS TO STOP AN ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT FROM
BEING FORMED SERVING USA AND ISRAEL.>>>>>>.


Lahoud did the right thing handing the government to defenders of
Lebanon, the Army.



Lahoud is a murderer and a Syrian agent<<<<<<YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT IS
SO. IF SUCH PROOF EXISTS, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ISRAEL
WOULD USE IT TO IMPOSE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT ON LEBANON:COLONIZE
LEBANON BY CONTROL EASILY.>>>>>, defending him is like saying
Saddam was a good guy <<<<<SADDAM WAS A VERY GOOD MAN FOR IRAQ AND THE
ARAB CAUSE. THE KILLINGS HE DID WERE IN DEFENSE OF IRAQ AND AGAINST
THE CONSPIRACIES AND SUPPORT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND
ISRAEL. HE WAS QUASHING TRAITORS IN IRAQ.>>>>>and did the right thing
by invading kuwait, <<<<<<KUWAIT WAS PART OF IRAQ AND THE ENGLISH
MANAGED TO CUT IT OUT FOR THEIR CONTROL AND DECLARE IT AS A STATE.
THE ENGLISH HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ANOTHER NEW STATE, SOUTHERN
IRAQ. THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS THAT IT IS MORE CONNECTED TO IRAN. SO
THE UNITED STATES WOULD LIKE TO LIQUIDATE IRAN AND TAKE ALL THE OIL
FIELDS.>>>>>
it is indefensibe. <<<<<HIGHLY DEFENSIBLE.>>>>>>>


As for Hariri, he should not have been assassinated. But the
assassination is an internal problem for Lebanon. The United States
of America scared Syria out of Lebanon by placing some cloud over
Syria's possible involvement in the assassination. It seems to me the
assassination has been an internal job.



How do you know its an internal job ? <<<<<NO OUTSIDE FLAGS HAVE BEEN
SHOWN SO FAR. THERE WERE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST SYRIA BUT NO CONNECTION
HAS BEEN DETERMINED. SYRIA WITHDREW TO AVOID THE BULLY, USA AND
ISRAEL FROM DESTROYING THEIR COUNTRY.There is an international <<<<USA
AND ISRAEL>>>investigation going on that will specify the identity of
the conspirators and whether they are backed by Syria<<<<<NO
DETERMINATION ONLY MERE ACCUSATIONS AND INNUENDO>>>>>. The
preliminary indications according to the earlier summaries published
all point to a direct Syrian involvement <<<<NO SUCH THING AS
PRELIMINARY. THERE IS OR THERE IS NOT. AND THERE IS NOT ANY
INDICATION SYRIA IS INVOLVED OTHERWISE YOU WOULD SEE THE UNITED STATES
DRUMMING HATRED TO COLONIZE LEBANON>>>>>, do you know better than
those investigators ? <<<<NO INVESTIGATORS CAME WITH ANY ANSWER
YET.>>>>>>


But Syria has been the main
block for the United States of America and Israel to get Lebanon to be
a proxy for them. Now Syria is out. Hezbollah is the only force to
stop these colonial powers to take over Lebanon.


Hizbollah is nothing but an arm of the Iranian revolutionary
guards<<<<IT IS NOT. IT IS INDEPENDENT. EVEN IF IT IS, THEN IT IS
DOING A GREAT JOB PUTTING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ISRAEL AT
BAY.>>>>>.
They only serve Iran's interests not lebanon <<<<ACTUALLY IT IS THE
OTHER WAY AROUND. IRAN AND SYRIA ARE THE MAIN BLOCKS TO TOTAL
HEGEMONY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ISRAEL OVER THE ARAB AND
MUSLIM WORLDS.>>>>>>>>


Of course, I would like Lebanon to be a country for the Lebanese. But
colonialism is forcing even the direction of negotiation to settle an
internal problem of Lebanon.


Believe me Iran and Syria are the main countries that are holding the
colonization of All Arab and Muslim countries at bay.



These two countries are no holding western colonization at bay, the
colonial
era is long gone and the neo colonialism strategy is now economically
based. <<<<<<NEO-COLONIALISM IS THE FINAL OBJECTIVE, THAT IS RIGHT.
BUT TO ACHIEVE THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOUND ITSELF INVOLVED
IN ACTUAL OCCUPATION WARS. THEY TRY TO AVOID DIRECT WARS. THEY TRY
PROXY WARS AS IN SOMALIA AND SUDAN. THE QUESTION TO THE USA IS HOW TO
DEFEAT NATIONALISTS WITHOUT DIRECTLY GETTING INVOLVED IN A WAR. THAT
IS BECOMING HARD TO DO WITH THE NEW AGE OF INFORMATION.>>>>>> If
these countries want to stand in the face of globalism, the first
thing they should do is educate their people and improve their
internal economic opportunities. <<<<THAT BY ITSELF IS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRIES ECONOMICALLY. FAILURE TO DO SO MANDATES
ACTUAL MILITARY TAKEOVER AS WAS DONE IN IRAQ. IRAQ WAR IS THE OIL,
ONLY THE OIL AND NOTHING BUT THE OIL. >>>>> Unfortunately such goals
interfere with the business of running a dictatorship <<<<<<SOMETIMES
BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIPS IN POOR COUNTRIES HELP THE COUNTRY AS WE SEE
IN CUBA AND VENEZUELLA>>>, so you will never see these countries adopt
such economic policies, unless they come with no freedom, a la
china.Their sole aim is to protect
their undemocratic regimes in power<<<SOME ARE. CHINA IS DOING VERY
WELL AND MAY BECOME THE MOST DOMINANT FORCE IN THE WORLD. SPEAKING OF
WHO HELPS HEZBOLLAH, CHINA AND RUSSIA ARE THE MOST HELP. READ MY
ARTICLE ON STRATEGIES TO ATTACK IRAN AND COUNTER STRATEGIES BY IRAN.
CHINA AND RUSSIA ARE THE SUPPORT FOR IRAN.>>>>>>


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The United
States of America is doing its colonization through the indigenous
people and not as direct as that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another
good example is the occupation of Somalia. USA sponsored Ethiopian
troops to do its bidding. In Darfur, the United States of America is
using African Muslims against the Sudanese government to do its
bidding. Beware of the big wolf!!



BASIL, YOU ARE ADVOCATING A USA POLICY OF COLONIZATION CONSCIENOUSLY
OR UNCONSCIESOULY. YOU SHOULD EVALUATE YOUR POSITION BEING WESTERN
EDUCATED.

IN THE ABSENCE OF DIRECT CONFRONTATION FORCE, A RAG TAG SET OF FORCES
CAN DESTROY THE ENEMY. ENGLAND USED THAT TO DESTROY THE ARMADA.
PALESTINIANS ARE USING THAT TO FIGHT ISRAEL. HEZBOLLAH IS USING THAT
TO FIGHT USA AND ISRAEL. NATIONALIST IRAQIS ARE USING THAT TO FIGHT
COLONIZATION OF IRAQ.

MY THEORY HAS BEEN, COLONIALISM CREATES ITS ANTITHESIS. CONTINUOUS
OPPRESSION BY COLONISTS MAY QUASH RESISTANCE FOR A WHILE. BUT
SYSTEMATIC RESISTANCE BY ADULTS AND CHILDREN PERPETUATE RESISTANCE AND
PLACE THE COLONIST AT BAY AND GET IT READY FOR EITHER REMOVAL OR
DESTRUCTION.






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On Nov 28, 12:40 am, Basil H <hamdan.ba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:52 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hezbollah took over an Israeli
post. Why should Israel then declare war on all Lebanon other than
the plan they already had concucted? More over why should Israeli
planes destroy all of Lebanon, at least vital parts all over Lebanon,
while Hezbollah was in South Lebanon? Why Israel had to slaughter
women and children in South Lebanon knowingly?

I agree that Israel's reaction to the soldiers abduction was out
of proportion and the result of that failed war was the destruction
of large parts of Lebanon as well as the death of many innocents.

Hezbollah acted with
restraints. Israel acted with viciousness.

Hizbollah purposely provoked the mad Israeli reaction. But both
sides erred in engaging in a very destructive war.

Ask yourself why?

If you read the articles I quoted from the Associated Press, these
articles indicate that the United States of America is the main
stakeholder and determined party to install a government in Lebanon as
a proxy for it and Israel. Fuad Saniora is the main agent who is
holding a position against the written constitution of Lebanon.

You know little about Lebanon's constitution. Prime minister
Sanioura has adhered to the letter and spirit of our constitution.
Hizbollah smuggles arms illegally into Lebanon, start wars and
intimidate the government with their weapons at the service
of Iran and Syria. They have no room to talk about legality or
legitimacy. They are the ones that are barring the parliament
from meeting to fulfill their constitutional duties.



Lahoud did the right thing handing the government to defenders of
Lebanon, the Army.

Lahoud is a murderer and a Syrian agent, defending him is like saying
Saddam was a good guy and did the right thing by invading kuwait,
it is indefensibe.



As for Hariri, he should not have been assassinated. But the
assassination is an internal problem for Lebanon. The United States
of America scared Syria out of Lebanon by placing some cloud over
Syria's possible involvement in the assassination. It seems to me the
assassination has been an internal job.

How do you know its an internal job ? There is an international
investigation going on that will specify the identity of the
conspirators
and whether they are backed by Syria. The preliminary indications
according to the earlier summaries published all point to a direct
Syrian involvement, do you know better than those investigators ?

But Syria has been the main
block for the United States of America and Israel to get Lebanon to be
a proxy for them. Now Syria is out. Hezbollah is the only force to
stop these colonial powers to take over Lebanon.

Hizbollah is nothing but an arm of the Iranian revolutionary guards.
They only serve Iran's interests not lebanon.



Of course, I would like Lebanon to be a country for the Lebanese. But
colonialism is forcing even the direction of negotiation to settle an
internal problem of Lebanon.

Believe me Iran and Syria are the main countries that are holding the
colonization of All Arab and Muslim countries at bay.

These two countries are no holding western colonization at bay, the
colonial
era is long gone and the neo colonialism strategy is now economically
based. If these countries want to stand in the face of globalism,
the first
thing they should do is educate their people and improve their
internal economic opportunities. Unfortunately such goals interfere
with the business of running a dictatorship, so you will never
see these countries adopt such economic policies, unless
they come with no freedom, a la china.Their sole aim is to protect
their
undemocratic regimes in power.



The United
States of America is doing its colonization through the indigenous
people and not as direct as that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another
good example is the occupation of Somalia. USA sponsored Ethiopian
troops to do its bidding. In Darfur, the United States of America is
using African Muslims against the Sudanese government to do its
bidding. Beware of the big wolf!!- Hide quoted text -

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