Re: UN envoy: Lebanese claim to Shaba Farms area has merit
- From: edralp <edralp@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:52:22 -0700
On Oct 21, 7:01 pm, m-e-d-a-w-...@xxxxxxxxx (BM) wrote:
In article <1192978213.476764.303...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
edralp <edr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't think Israel can solve the Palestinean refugees problem by
itself.
All we ask is for Israel do its part in the solution and not push the
problem on others.
It's not just the people living in Lebanon. There is far more people
waiting for a solution.They have been hearing for 60 years that they
will return home soon - still keeping the keys for their houses.
If I were Palestinian I would be keeping my house key as well.
Wouldn't you? Jews have kept their house key so to speak for 2000
years: next year in Jerusalem, no? Why do you expect Palestinians, who
are genetically close to the Jews, to be any different? It may take
Them 2000 years too but I bet you that those keys will be passed from
generation to generation like prized family and national treasure.
We are back at the beginning. This loop keeps going. What you say is
that Lebanon is not strong enough to survice being part of this loop.
This is too bad.
Yes, taking the Palestinians that Israeli threw out will be fatal
to Lebanon.
Actually there is a simple solution for Israel.. a binational
Israeli-Palestinian state where there are no borders within this state.
The fundamental problem is the borders. Take out the borders between
Israel and Palestine and all core problems will be solved. If two
individuals own the same land, a court on which and Palestinian and a
Jewish judge sit will decide who owns what on an individual basis and
maybe even split the difference.
Imagine this for a second. No borders. What problem is left?
The problem is fundamental. Is that Palestineans will not accept to
live in a country that speaks hebrew, is ruled by a Knesset and
implements what they will perceive a foreign way of life. Is OK with a
minority that can have its own costumes in a framework of another
culture predomintates the country.
I mean I am OK with having an Arab Judge in Israel (there a few
prominent ones that activally support the Palestinean cause), but I am
not willing to have a Palestinean Judge (either Muslim or Christian)
that rules based on foreign laws.
We could see how complex it was to do this in North Ireland when BOTH
sides were christian, and share a common lenguage and adopted
democracy.
A bi-national solution might emerge, but at this moment is a bon ton
that those who don't recognize the Israel's self-determination use as
a mean to destroy it..
Palestinians refugees in Lebanon can then return. If they have a valid
claim to a land then the court will decide their case. If they don't then
they'll just have to buy a piece of land somewhere else (anywhere!) with
compensation money paid by an international fund to which Israelis and Arabs
contribute.
Without entering into the possible problems that will take discussing
case-by-case discussion (isn't it obvious that that the Israeli and
the Palestinean judge are going to disagree?), And what if that land
is now occupied with a new city or and industrial area? or a forest?
Last year Palestinean set a new record and become the first nation to
have a civial war before they have independence. Gaza now follows the
Lebanese model of arming itself to the teeth and say daily rockets to
Sderot with the intention of grabbing Israel in to another embrarsing
war that will sheed more inocent blood. To say the least, this has a
negative effect on the willingness Israel has to make the concessions
needed to create a Palestinean state, not to mention to make the kind
of change you propose.
Why could Jordan sign a peace agreement with (the number of
Palestinean there is larger) and Lebanon can't? The Palestinean
refugees will eventually have some kind of remedy for their sitution.
But the clock is not going backwards, and it will not fulfill the high
expectations.
bassem
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