Re: Disturbing Trend: Why European women are turning to Islam
- From: "Terry Cross" <tcross77@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 30 Dec 2005 16:45:54 -0800
Hieron wrote:
> Terry Cross wrote:
>
> > cindys wrote:
> >> "Terry Cross" <tcross77@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:1135754418.908491.310060@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Jewish girls are taught that they are unclean with every menstrual
> >> > cycle and they defile everything they touch - Moses tells them so.
> >> -------
> >> What a total lie (among all the others).
> >
> > So you are saying that modern Jewish girls do NOT follow the Law of
> > Moses?
> >
> > Leviticus 15 (King James Version)
>
> [snip]
>
> Perhaps the Hebrew term has nothing to do with cleanness, but with a
> particular spiritual state during which certain rules apply.
>
>
> > And if you read more of Leviticus, you see that "unclean" is the same
> > word used for pigs and lepers and creeping animals and gonorrhoic
> > urethral discharge.
>
> Do you think the term means "dirty"? It rather refers to a state in which
> one most be separated from another. Here I paste Cindy's answer - since you
> didn't bother asking what she was taught, I did:
>
> When a woman menstruates, she is called a "niddah." There is no direct
> translation for this word, but it does not mean "unclean" and is not related
> to hygiene. It is a spiritual state. The woman is forbidden from engaging in
> sexual relations with her husband. They are additionally discouraged from
> touching at all because of the possibility that touching will lead to sexual
> relations. There is no "defilement, "impurity," "uncleaness" etc involved.
> And the prohibition only involves the relationship between husband and wife.
> When menstruation is finished, the woman checks for an additional 7 days to
> verify that there is no blood. She then immerses in the mikvah and is
> permitted to her husband again. The proof that mikvah is not related to
> cleanliness is that the woman must be freshly showered/bathed BEFORE she can
> immerse in the mikvah. The laws of family purity are considered to be a
> beautiful thing within Judaism. The days of niddah are the days when a
> husband and wife relate to each other only on an emotional and intellectual
> level. When, they come together (physically) again, it is like a honeymoon.
> There is nothing ugly, nasty, "unclean," "sinful" "defiling," or degrading
> about the laws of niddah..."
>
> I suppose one thing is what *you* want to believe or disbelieve, and another
> is what they practice.
>
> There is a lot of value in asking the Jews to explain their religion. I
> don't really want English "scholars" to tell me how I should understand
> Hungarian terms and customary practices.
>
> They may try, but we will always know better.
>
> > And then when her mensis is finished every month, the woman must make a
> > "sin" offering at the Temple, as though she had committed a sin by
> > being created a woman - which in the diseased mind of Moses, was very
> > close to the truth.
>
> Wow! You are having a go on these poor Jews. What polluted your mind?
Hieron, I will explain once more for you. My objection to the Law of
Moses is solely and completely because of the Law of Moses. It is the
(lack of) merit of the system itself that condemns it. I do not care
who salutes Moses, and you should quit trying to take it personally.
Moses was not a Jew - Moses was a Levite.
The Law of Moses does not belong exclusively to the Jews, the
Christias, the Muslims, or any other spin-off from the religion of the
ancient Hebrews. Moses is Moses. No one today practices the law of
Moses as it was written.
The Jews pretend they have the religion of Moses, but you have just
shown it is not true. Moses said ANYone who touches the Menstruant is
defiled. You say Judaism says it is only the husband. Moses said the
woman is isolated 7 days. You say Judaism says the woman is Menstruant
for 14 days. Moses says everthing she sits or lies on, and everyone
who sits or lies on what she has sat or lain on is defiled. You say
Judaism says different.
There are thousands and thousands of other differences between those
two religions, including Temple sacrifice, the hereditary priesthood,
and all the reinterpreted doctrines since Ezra.
Moses did not practice Judaism, and the Jews to not practice the
religion of Moses.
> The Hebrew Scriptures is the most honoured book on earth, held in high
> esteem by both Jews and Christians. Without it you do not have the NT, and
> therefore it is pointless to claim that you are a follower of Jesus.
The Muslims also have high regard for the books of Moses. I say the
Books of Moses have degraded civilization.
> Too bad, Jesus, the Galilean Jewish rabbi,
Jesus said to call no man rabbi.
> practiced and taught Judaism,
If anything, Jesus practiced the religion of Moses and the Levites, not
the religion of the Pharisees. The most cursorial reading of the New
Testament shows that.
> nothing else, so you better befriend his nation, for he will surely not
> deny them.
"His nation?" Do you believe that the creator of the Universe would
engage in anything so petty as national politics? The putrid racism of
Moses is one of the great scars against his writing. Add to that
Moses' hatred and fear of women and all things sexual, Moses love of
killing and death ("my way or the graveyard"), and Moses' myopic
cribbing from the Code of Hammurabi, and you have the picture of a very
small man with a very mean heart.
TCross
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