Re: Israel: Rabbinate blocking aliyah of O converts

On Feb 20, 7:11 pm, "Abe Kohen" <abeko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Amitai wrote:
Sorry, this post was sent off unanswered in error.
Here is my response:

On Feb 20, 11:19 am, Amitai <chr0...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 20, 3:45 am, "Abe Kohen" <abeko...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

  > What is missing here is that for the first thirty or so years when
Labor was
 > in power ALL the judges were ANSHEI SHLOMEINU (Unzere Menschen) as
Haver
 > may-ve Haver was practiced to extreme. Judicial appointment was
handed out
 > for being loyal (Agranat, par excellence). The Bar itself was
packed with
 > Laborites, and even when Likud first took over, it was impossible
to
 > nominate Likud type candidates.

Nonsennse.
Check the list of Presidents of the Court. None except the fisrt,
Olshan, were Mapainiks. The fifth, Moshe Landau -whom I knew
personally, was a Revisionist as a young man. Of the other judges, I
can say - off the cuff - that in thje early period Moshe Silberg, and
- more recently - Menahem Eilon, Yitzhak Englard, Edmond Levy and
Elyakim Rebistein were/are all religious Jews.

What does relgigiosity have anything to do with it? Avram Burg wears a
kippa. Would you consider a Burg appointment to the Supreme Court to be
evidence of nominating Likud type candidates?

We were not talking about Avrum Burg, but about members of Court
during Ben Gurions rule. Moshe Zilberg was religious and certainly no
Mapainik. There were others, but I wont waste my time checking their
CV's. You wrote ALL, and ONE exception is enough to prove you wrong.


Here in the US we have a strong tradition that each President gets to
 > nominate candidates in line with his (or her, but we haven't had a
her)
 > judicial philosophy. Of course after getting Borked, most
candidates now
 > play dumb. But there is no question as to which Supreme Court
Justice leans
 > which way.

At least they are thoroughly vetted. Still, legal geniuses and moral
giants like Clarence Thomas get through.

What do you have against Clarence Thomas? Do you think that Sonia Sotamayor
is a "legal genius and moral giant?"

We ere not comparing members of the court, but appointment procedures.
If you don't think much of Sotomayor, blame the American procedure. As
to Thomas, he has been there long enough to recognize him as Scalia's
silent shadow.


Was Agranat less active than Gavison?

An absurd comparison.
Agranat was on bench at age 34. All of his activity was delegated to
him as a judge.Gavison never sat as a Judge. All of her activities
preceded the attempt to appoint her to the S.C., which was to be her
first judicial appointment.

Agranat was appointed to the Supreme Court precisely for having "handled"
the second "Kasztner trial." Reward for loyalty.

More nonsense.
Agranat was appointed to the Court in 1949.
The second Kastner trial took place in 1958, after Kastner's
assassination.
Time reversal hadn't been invented yet :-)

Then he was given the Yom Kippur War Commission precisely to blame Dado and
absolve Golda and Dayan. Justice at its best?

Are you assuming that the other members of the Commission: Justice
Moshe Landau, State Comptroller Yitzchak Nebenzahl, and former Chiefs
of Staff Yigael Yadin and Chaim Laskov.were Yes Men? Golda saw to it
that they had no mandate to investigate tthe members of the
Government. They were limited to:
1. The intelligence information for the days preceding the Yom Kippur
War on the enemy's moves and intentions to launch the war, the
evaluation of this information, and the decisions taken by the
responsible military and civil authorities in response thereto.
2. The general deployment of the IDF in case of war, its state of
readiness during the days preceding the Yom Kippur War, and its
operations up to the containment of the enemy.

This is precisely the way Olmert limited the terms of reference of the
Winograd (effectively the Gavison) Commission on the Second Lebanon
War and Bibi that of the Tuerkel Commisssion on tha Mavi Marmara
incident. None of them were allowed to tough the members of the
gvernment.

--
Amitai


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