Re: Jew arrested for wearing tallit

In <cf354b4b-dac9-4d64-9d05-8bd99ee1e982@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> cindys <cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:


"WOMEN TRADITIONALLY ARE IN CHARGE OF ALL AREAS THAT MAKE ONE RELIGIOUS"
you shouted. So I'm asking - what's your frame of reference for that
assertion?

Is this statement not true? Wasn't your grandmother more influential
about household matters than your grandfather?

Depends on how you define "household matters" I guess.

Does she wash the strawberries in soap and water before she serves
them to her guests ? Does she have two dishwashers? These are just
personal questions. Unless someone from SCJM is planning to eat dinner
at Susan's house, I don't see what difference it makes.

I hear you, but I'm not convinced that those are personal questions, given
the context.

My ongoing complaint on SCJM has been that when I express a given
perspective (and frequently, I don't even agree with it, I'm just
trying to play Rashi or trying to see things from somebody else's
point of view), the thread invariably becomes *all about me.*

Since Susan wrote "WOMEN TRADITIONALLY ARE IN CHARGE OF ALL AREAS THAT
MAKE ONE RELIGIOUS" in capital letters, as a strong assertion, I think
it seems logical to conclude that she probably agrees with the
statement, but I don't see what difference it makes if she covers her
hair or not, unless someone is eager to demonstrate that she is
somehow being hypocritical if she says that women have traditionally
held a certain role yet she isn't personally meticulous about keeping
halacha (I don't know anything about Susan's personal life. I'm just
speaking hypothetically). To say "halacha isn't binding" is quite
different from saying "halacha is binding, but I tend to be lax about
following it." Let's suppose Susan's situation is the latter. Is there
anything hypocritical or inconsistent about that?

Do you think it's fair to say that any woman who doesn't cover her
hair is not allowed to believe that women are the ones who have the
biggest influence over the Jewish home, children's education etc.?
Traditionally speaking, Jewish women have always been the ballubustas
of the house, and this is true whether they cover their hair or not.

Everything in life is a gray area. I find the black hat attitude
toward women's learning to be so incredibly offensive that I have
essentially walked away from two different shuls because of that, yet
I pay thousands of dollars in tuition to send my older son to a
yeshiva filled with rabbis who would never learn with me. And I do
that because I don't want to see my son denied a yeshiva education
just so I can make my point. Does that make me a hypocrite? Human
beings are very complex, and there are always going to be
inconsistencies. Nobody can be pigeon-holed, and nobody should be
pressured into divulging personal information on usenet.


I fully agree with you that people are complex, and there are gray areas.
Nor can people be pigeon-holed. That's not really what I'm getting at
here, it's really a question, I think, of whether or not a given voice
deserves any weight. It's not about forcing anyone to divulge personal
info, for me, it's about understanding where someone's actually coming
from and what validity, if any, one ought to ascribe to their postings.

For example, given what I know about you, if you post something about
living within the O lifestyle (either a postive, negative, or neutral
aspect) I'm going to give that a lot of weight - you live it. You know
what it's about. Obviously the same for Moshe, Micha, etc.

If Don or Shelly tell me something about what it's like to be R, I'm
definitely going to give that opinion a great deal of weight as well.

I think I have a pretty good sense of who many of the people on this NG
are - not their identities, necessarily, but something about their
humanity. They're "real people" - even if I know nothing about them.

For others - there's maybe 4 - 6 who post regularly - their humanity is
more enigmatic. I don't really know who they are, what weight to give to
their opinions. Some of them seem real, they seem legit. Maybe they are.
But I don't know them well enough yet to be sure.

Susan's been posting here at least as long as I have - probably longer.
And yet none of those issues, none of that humanity, has ever been
resolved. I think she's a real person, don't get me wrong, but I don't
really know who that real person might be. Not her name, not her identity,
but her actual POV - where she's calling from (to reference R. Carver)

I don't need to know - and maybe I know enough, enough to just ignore
whatever she says. That's what I should do. I did some Googling, and
frankly what I found scares the hell out of me.

So you know what? I had a policy there of just ignoring her, for some
reason I re-engaged, but I think I should go back to ignoring. Not that
what she's posting is offensive, even, actually it hasn't been, it's just
that I can't evaluate it, I can't give it any weight. Thus there's nothing
to respond to.

You know what I mean?

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