Re: Swastika sprayed on Rep's sign

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:46:57 +0000 (UTC), Joe Bruno
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On Aug 14, 4:35 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:23:24 +0000 (UTC), Joe Bruno





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On Aug 13, 9:10 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:38:47 +0000 (UTC), sheldonlg

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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:02:20 +0000 (UTC), Joe Bruno
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On Aug 12, 1:56 pm, Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:01:28 +0000 (UTC), Joe Bruno
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On Aug 12, 9:58 am, Omega <Omega....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 12, 12:01 am, Joe Bruno <jbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 11, 5:40 pm, Susan S <otoeremovet...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A swastika was spray painted on the office sign of Georgia congressional
representative David Scott.
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=133691
Susan Silberstein
Adolf Hitler did it.He isn't dead after all.
He is running the American democrat party.
Actually, Obama acts more like Josef Stalin than Adolf Hitler..

You two deserve each other.

IMHO both these comparisons fail.
You're entitled to your opinion. That will not change mine at all.

Of course not.   He posted for the benefit of others.

Even the Russian newspaper Pravda ru compares Obama to Stalin and the

What do you mean "Even"?  If some leading Jewish sage said this, or
some leading Democrat said this, or some person known for his wisdom,
his evenhandedness, and political knowledge said this, then you could
fairly use the word "even".  Of course none will because the idea is
insane.

Pravda is the opposite of all these things.

I remember hearing a story (said by Russians) of about Pravda and
Isvestia.  One of them (I don't know which) means truth and the other
means news.  The story went that the one that meant truth had no news
and the one that meant news had no truth.

I remember that now that you mention it. But I checked to be sure and
for more details. Izvestia in the context used means "news" and it was
the Soviet government "press office". Like you say, Pravda means
Truth. It was the newspaper of the Communist Party, and when Yeltsin
came to power, he shut down the Communist Party and sieged all its
property. The paper was soon sold to a private Greek owner. Soon after
that, 90% of the staff, who had worked under the Communists, resigned,
but the name was reused and the current Pravda is run mostly by those
same people, who worked for it when it was Communist and had resigned
under Yeltzin.   The story is more complicated than this, of course.

"There is no izvestia in Pravda and there is no pravda in Izvestia."

It's the chiasmus that makes it clever.  A,B and B,A.

Strangely, in searching for info about this topic, I found more hits
that were A,A and B,B.  Even in English this is a lot weaker, but it
sounds okay: "there is no truth in Pravda...", but in Russian -- and
it was Russians who told this wry joke -- that would be "There is no
pravda in Pravda and no izvestia in Isvestia" and that's not nearly as
clever, nor as informative.  Like you, I probably heard this first 18
or 20 or more years ago, and I'm sure our version is the real one, and
I'll bet all these malformed references to it are more recent. News is
like the game of Telephone.

BTW, I came across this by accident.  Here is what russia.ru had to
say about Sarah Palin,http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106355-1/
"To the contrary, we have to keep our eye on YOU, Sarah Palin!!! We
need to determine if you are either a pathological LIAR or just a
stupid, incompetent, ignorant bag of hair."   Joe, do you really want
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I read Pravda ru as part of my learning Russian.

I don't see anything wrong with that.  It seems like a good idea.

Russians by culture are more blunt than American news media  and I
like that.

That's fine too.

But being blunt doesn't mean they are accurate, unbiased, truthful, or
interested in the welfare of the US.  Yet you seem to think we should
trust what they say about Obama, and they say something just as nasty
about Sarah Palin.  And what did they say about George Bush?

The people at russia.ru dislike Americans on all sides of the issues,

I said I read Pravda .ru, not russia .ru. What the hell are you
talking about?

Sorry. I meant to say pravda.ru . I know nothing about russia.ru,
not even if it exists.

--

Meir

"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
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