Re: Obama nominee to Dept of Education position advocates non-halachic sex practices to children

cindys wrote:
On Jun 7, 8:08 pm, sheldonlg <sheldo...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
chsw wrote:
From "Atlas Shrugs" blog:
http://tinyurl.com/oe5m4n
The position, yclept the "Safe Schools" assistant secretary, also has
responsibility for assessing "safe sex" instruction in public school
systems. Many of the practices this activist advocates are not be
halachically permissable.
While I think people should be allowed do what they wish in their
bedrooms (civil rights vs religious doctrine), I think that promoting
this stuff to 12 year olds is disgusting.
chsw
Fact: many of these school children will engage in sex before the age of 15.

Question: Would you rather have them become pregnant of not? If you
say "they did it, let them suffer the consequences" then I ask would you
rather they abort or carry to term? If you say carry to term, then I
ask if you are willing to pay to support these children of children or
would you let these children of children starve?

The best solution, of course, would be for them not to have sex. Of
course, we could also ask the earth to revolve around its axis in twenty
hours and not twenty four.

The next best solution is to give them the knowledge and tools so that
they don't become pregnant in the first place.
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I don't think chsw's objection was to teaching about contraception. I
think his objection was to teaching about homosexuality and the
activities this sometimes entails. Apparently, Kevin Jennings is gay,
and in the past, he has ostensibly advocated a sexual activity called
"fisting" (an activity which is not limited to gay people). Anyone who
wants to know what this is should feel free to use google. I can
understand why somebody might advocate this activity as a form of safe
sex as there is zero chance of pregnancy or acquiring an STD.


Having lived in MA for a while, I seem to recall that particular
firestorm. I also remember that it was far less problematic (not
problem-free, mind you) than many of the local "anti" activists would
lead you to believe.

From the description in the rather rabid article, for example, I
wouldn't say that "advocated" would be the proper word to use.
"Described" seems more accurate to me. I am also unclear as to the
context of the quotes presented. Was this in response to a student
question, perhaps? We don't know - and that may be the key. The people
fighting the program at the time seemed to select only those words and
sentences likely to provoke a reaction, with little or no context. I
will admit, though, that the most vocal critics of the program were
people for whom I had little or no respect, and so it was difficult to
take (potentially more reasoned) opposition seriously.

I'm not particularly concerned that they are describing (not necessarily
*teaching*) non-halachic practices to children. They serve halachically
non-permissible food in the cafeteria every day. They hold school
activities on days where such activities would be halachically
impermissible. The list goes on and on - and for the 97% of public
school students who are not Jewish, it really isn't an issue. If it's
an issue to Jewish parents and students, home schooling or private
school are answers. The real question is whether any of these
issues/programs/whatever are harmful to the society at large and not
just to Jews, and I don't think that's a discussion which is useful to
have here.

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