Re: Avigdor Lieberman, our realistic new Foreign Minister (Naomi Ragen)

In article <p1tl05hd8t0uuphhjqpv5dpt79d5867kcm@xxxxxxx>,
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 15:40:28 +0000 (UTC), in
soc.culture.jewish.moderated , hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Herman Rubin)
in <gu9ghf$1pto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <2009May11.090158@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <moshes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Yisroel Markov wrote:

..................

There was a long period in which medicine was practiced
by priests or "medicine men", based on observations. It
still exists in parts of the worldl; intelligent people
learned from experience. Doctors learned in various ways,
not by being trained. Today's doctors are trained, not
educated, and this is a major problem in medicine. They
act almost by reflex, not by understanding a new situation.

So when my wife's ER doctor told her that a test was necessary to rule
out a potential condition that was 80+% fatal (if already in the
hospital) but that test had about a 1% chance of causing kidney
problems, that was reflex and not understanding, that was from
training and not education.

This was the citing of estimated probabilities, which
I hope were based on facts. Knowing facts falls under
training, and they can be looked up, which requires
neither; and as a statistician, I question the accuracy
of the quoted facts for her condition.

By the way, unless the presence or absence of the
potentially fatal condition affected the efficacy or choice
of treatment of the other problems, what good was it? The
information given was inadequate for decision making, and
unless there was an urgent reason for improving later care
to carrying out the test, there was not enough discussion.
Doctors are generally incapable of providing the information
to those who should make the decisions.

Seriously, Herman, I am sorry you think that your teachers did your
wrong, but get over this.

See the above. Education is what enables you to function
well even if you have forgotten many of the details.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Avigdor Lieberman, our realistic new Foreign Minister (Naomi Ragen)
    ... soc.culture.jewish.moderated, hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Herman Rubin) ... Matt Silberstein wrote: ... I hope were based on facts. ... difference between training and education. ...
    (soc.culture.jewish.moderated)
  • Re: Oy, meh hayah lanu
    ... >>>So what is possible without a fundamental realm in which everyone is on ... it is expressible in a symbolic language, ... Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University ...
    (soc.culture.jewish.moderated)
  • Re: Harvard aggresively recruited Blacks in 1968
    ... I hope he'll correct me) the fact that their ancestors were a victim ... even if we ignore the education. ... Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University ...
    (soc.culture.jewish.moderated)
  • Re: Randomness and linguistic development
    ... Nathan Sanders wrote: ... amount of approximation and ignoring variables is a regular occurrence. ... probability and statistics will certainly be ... Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University ...
    (sci.lang)
  • Re: A Question
    ... that history would still ... Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University ...
    (soc.culture.jewish.moderated)