Re: Jewish Election Perspective

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:54:41 +0000 (UTC), Marc Adler
<marc.adler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 24, 10:29 pm, "Shmaryahu b. Chanoch" <Omega....@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

why so many Jews put socialism ahead of Torah I do not
know,

Why does it have to be either/or? Doesn't the latter naturally lead to
the former?

I'm not sure. I thought it led as easily to capitalism, but maybe you
could convince me.

Or maybe you mean this, which I noticed years ago: Jewish
communities, whereever they are large enough, and even sometimes where
they are not large but can raise money from Jews elsewhere, have a
wide array of community services. AIUI, we had free public education
for boys and girls to read and write and probably more as far back as
2300 years ago or more. Before there was in the US
government-provided welfare, there was Jewish welfare for the Jewish
poor, there is subsidized trade education, there are free loan
societies and all kinds of gmachs (gemilas chesed societies, that
usually concentrate on one sort of product like clothes or medical
supplies, that collect from people who don't need them anymore and
then sell them cheaply. Baltimore has I think more than 30 of
different sorts) and a long list of other groups providing one service
or another either free or at a reduced rate for Jews who can't afford
to pay. Now we even have for young Jews subsidized trips to Israel
(very much so, 250 dollar for 8 or 10 days, whatever it is.) And
where tsedaka is collected proportionate to people's income.

Now if we can do this for ourselves, who are we to tell the goyim in a
democracy that they can't vote to do the same or similar things for
themselves. And I see no reason why the civil governments of the
world have to spend money on exactly the same things that Jewish
communities do. Jewish communites around the world including the US
have already set a precedent, going back hundreds or thousands of
years, that the community can be taxed to improve the lives of
individuals. That's all the US does now, and if some of its
programs work better than others and some don't work well at all,
that's no basis to throw out the whole idea, but to improve the
programs that don't work well.

And if we want to live in that country, we have to partcipate the same
as everyone else. There are no taxes imposed just on Jews in the US
or anywhere anymore afaik (except the unjust ban on kosher slaughter
in some countries could be considered a tax (and worse)), so we have
to pay taxes at the same rate as others whose income is the same.

Whether one calls it socialism or loving ones neighbor, it's the same
thing. "Socialism" is used because it's a scary word, which one can
find loads of people to join with in derision of it. But the Jewish
community does and has long done the same thing.


does not make him a strong man.  He has not shown that type of
character.

Hasn't he? He has stuck fast to his principals, unlike McCain, who
dropped all his previous beliefs at the drop of a hat. I would prefer
a leader who can tell me bad but true news I don't want to hear than
a leader who lie to me to tell me what I want to hear.

What I do see is people reading into Obama what they want him to be.

That may be, but that's not his fault, and it certainly doesn't
validate your conclusion:

For educated people, too many Jews seem to be fools.

Marc

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