Re: RICE: Palestinian state URGENT

On Jun 4, 2:43 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC), "J J Levin"



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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:20:14 +0000 (UTC), Eliyahu <lro...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jun 3, 3:37 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:32:21 +0000 (UTC), mi...@xxxxxxxxxxx (Micha

Berger) wrote:

"Ittbach al yahood" .....

Capitalize "Yahood". Not capitalizing "Jew" has recently been taken on
this forum as an indicator of antisemitism. (Not really, people from
scj knew the poster already. Still, Yehudi = Yahud = Jud = Jew, and as
the name of our people, it should be capitalized.

Absolutely.

What do you think about other capitalization?

For example in this sentence, from another forum, not counting the
first word: "Leverite marriage is Yibum or Y'vama -- refusing it is
Halitza."

Or many sentences like "There are three Rabbis in our town. The father
of that Rebbe was also a Rebbe."

As a general rule,

That's the general rule,

a title like "Rabbi" is capitalized when it refers
to a particular rabbi,

But it's no longer the general practice, among quite a few people who
write on Jewish topics. In other forums and in this one, one will see
many examples of "Rabbi" capitalized every time it's used, no matter
how it is used.

Even though there are no capital letters in Hebrew.

And that's what I'm asking about, the practice, not the rule. What
Micha and others think about the practice of capitalizing words like
rabbi, rebbe, kosher, yibum, y'vama, halitza and many other words,
regardless of how they're used.

The practice is Rabbi Cohen when referring to a specific person, but rabbi,
rabbinic, and rabbinate when it's generic.

I think both of you are conflating rule with practice.

You state the rule. I know the rule.

You both state the rule as if it were the practice, but it often
isn't.

I'm asking about the practice of many Jews on this and other forums to
capitalize words such as the ones I mentioned regardless of how they
are used.

I'm not asking about practice which follows the English language rule
but about practice that violates it and I'm asking how people feel
about that.

It's a broad question, and I'm interested in any answer to it, but one
sub-question is, Is that a trivial error, or is it as important as
spelling words correctly and using proper grammar? How is it possible
that it could be trivial?

And now I'm also asking, under what circumstances if any should A
correct B if B violates the English language rule? From, if B is 8
years old and A is his father, up to if B is an adult poster on a
Jewish forum and A is another reader? If A has the opportunity to
read a manuscript that B has written? If A believes that a series of
posts on the Internet will be later amalgamated into a book, or a
magazine article, or a zine article? Etc.

As a general rule, spelling and grammar flames are considered poor
manners on Usenet. However, if a person repeatedly writes in a manner
intended to give offense or even inadvertently causing offense, an
appropriately worded correction is reasonable. If possible, private
communication would be preferable so as not to embarrass the person.
While it might be simple courtesy to offer correction if the material
is to be later published, remember that the publisher has an editor
whose job is to go over material and vet it for errors in punctuation,
spelling, usage, etc., before it goes into print.

Eliyahu
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