Re: RICE: Palestinian state URGENT

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC), "J J Levin"
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:20:14 +0000 (UTC), Eliyahu <lrooff@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Jun 3, 3:37 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:32:21 +0000 (UTC), mi...@xxxxxxxxxxx (Micha

Berger) wrote:

"Ittbach al yahood" .....

Capitalize "Yahood". Not capitalizing "Jew" has recently been taken on
this forum as an indicator of antisemitism. (Not really, people from
scj knew the poster already. Still, Yehudi = Yahud = Jud = Jew, and as
the name of our people, it should be capitalized.

Absolutely.

What do you think about other capitalization?

For example in this sentence, from another forum, not counting the
first word: "Leverite marriage is Yibum or Y'vama -- refusing it is
Halitza."

Or many sentences like "There are three Rabbis in our town. The father
of that Rebbe was also a Rebbe."

As a general rule,

That's the general rule,

a title like "Rabbi" is capitalized when it refers
to a particular rabbi,

But it's no longer the general practice, among quite a few people who
write on Jewish topics. In other forums and in this one, one will see
many examples of "Rabbi" capitalized every time it's used, no matter
how it is used.

Even though there are no capital letters in Hebrew.

And that's what I'm asking about, the practice, not the rule. What
Micha and others think about the practice of capitalizing words like
rabbi, rebbe, kosher, yibum, y'vama, halitza and many other words,
regardless of how they're used.




The practice is Rabbi Cohen when referring to a specific person, but rabbi,
rabbinic, and rabbinate when it's generic.

I think both of you are conflating rule with practice.

You state the rule. I know the rule.

You both state the rule as if it were the practice, but it often
isn't.

I'm asking about the practice of many Jews on this and other forums to
capitalize words such as the ones I mentioned regardless of how they
are used.

I'm not asking about practice which follows the English language rule
but about practice that violates it and I'm asking how people feel
about that.

It's a broad question, and I'm interested in any answer to it, but one
sub-question is, Is that a trivial error, or is it as important as
spelling words correctly and using proper grammar? How is it possible
that it could be trivial?

And now I'm also asking, under what circumstances if any should A
correct B if B violates the English language rule? From, if B is 8
years old and A is his father, up to if B is an adult poster on a
Jewish forum and A is another reader? If A has the opportunity to
read a manuscript that B has written? If A believes that a series of
posts on the Internet will be later amalgamated into a book, or a
magazine article, or a zine article? Etc.




Just as you capitalize the Bible
when you refer to the specific book, but "a bible of philosophy" when it's
used generically and is not the title of a book, or "biblical" when
referring to something in the Bible.

Jay




I don't want to spend as much time on the net as I once did, or in newsgroups. In the past I responded to almost any reply to me, because I thought silence meant assent to some people. But it shouldn't.

Given that few ever change their minds here and the rest rarely do, once I make my points, I may not reply again. Especially if no new arguments are made on the other side. Please don't take that to mean you have convinced me or anyone.
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