Re: Porkless Pete's Texas BBQ


"Eliyahu" <lrooff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On May 9, 7:35 am, "Craig Winchell" <gane...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Steve Goldfarb" <s...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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In <g0040h$72...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Harry Weiss <hjwe...@xxxxxxxxx>
writes:

Craigs Smokehouse sound good unless people think it is a cigar shop.
You
many not
want a beef name, because you may wish to carry some poultry or lamb
BBQ.
What about
Craig (or if you want Pete)'s BBQ Smokehouse.

The problem is anyone going to Craig's Smokehouse would expect to find
pork products - baby back ribs, pulled pork, etc. Craig's strategy
here, I
think, is to take what seems like a liability -- "a bbq joint with no
pork, that's crazy!" -- and turn it into kind of a back-handed
positive.

It's like in Detroit, there's one Coney Island restaurant that serves
chips, no fries. The other famous one serves fries, no chips. Surely
they
could each sell both - but it creates a point of differentiation, it
becomes something that people can take sides on, pretend to fight
about.
It encourages loyalty, etc.

This is very common in (good) BBQ joints especially, where they have a
"way they do it" and by sticking to that, by emphatically sticking to
it,
they're making a strong crediblity-generating statement.

BS"D

Yes, thank you Steve, that's exactly what I'm doing, and in doing so,
poking
fun. That's why changing the words around to Pete's Porkless Texas BBQ
takes away from the impact and the fun. Meanwhile, I just was told by
Rabbi
Furst that he couldn't do it with that name, as he asked many rabbis in
Los
Angeles, and he was universally advised against it. But after running it
past scjm, I'm more convinced than ever that the name is the right one
for
the place. I just sent an email to the OU, and we'll see what they
think.

Did he explain why? I mean, the name makes it clear that you won't
find pork there. I could understand his refusal if a place had a name
like "Porkchop Heaven" or "The Treifery", but Porkless?

BS"D

I think that treif is treif, but pork is something different altogether, as
far as Jews are concerned. Look at the majority of the Jewish world- most
wouldn't hesitate to eat lobster, crab or a cheeseburger, but place a piece
of pork on their plate, and most would say ," No siree, I'm Jewish, can't
eat that stuff!". Pork strikes Jews viscerally, for whatever reason. And
these people know intellectually that the name is not "pork" but "porkless",
but there's still an emotional component there which would be lacking if it
was some other nonkosher foodstuff which made up part of the name. But for
me, I don't get it at all. When I gave up kashrus when I went to Europe
many years ago (well before I was observant, but I grew up with some
semblance of kashrus), I gave it up entirely, and ate the langoustines and
the air dried ham and the Yugoslavian pork chops and the clams and oysters,
and had an occasional mixture of cooked milchigs with fleishigs. Not
keeping "kosher" was hard for me, but except for that I didn't
differentiate. But most of my extended family would never have eaten pork
products, even while they were chowing down on lobster and oysters and
cheeseburgers.

I must respect Rabbi Furst and those like him, who will draw the line and
not step over, even if I don't agree that there should be a line in that
case. Now I'll see what my options are. Could be I'll change the name and
go with his hashgocha, even if I don't want to, because it's my best option,
but I won't know that until after I explore my options. After all, I like
his integrity, and that's always a plus.

Craig Winchell



Eliyahu


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