Re: Why did they do that to the Jews?

On Jan 31, 3:48 am, Don Levey <Don_S...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On 30-Jan-2008, Don Levey <Don_S...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On 29-Jan-2008, Don Levey <Don_S...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In the case of the Jews, a very distinct tribal identity has been
maintained over many centuries. The Jews are easily identified. They
make a convenient target for persecution and libel.

Interesting ideas. There are many Jews who (to some degree or another)
deny the identity of the Palestinians as a separate and unique people;
how does that fit in with what you're saying?

Because the bulk of people who call themselves Palestinians
either are terrorists or support terrorism (polls say 70%).

Okay, so I stated that harshly, & many of them may have said
"Oh, yes, Mr. Terrorist asking me this question & who has a gun
to my baby's head, you bet I support you! Put me down for a
donation while you're at it!" And many of them are brainwashed,
because very little can get in that isn't PA approved, but it all
works out pretty much the same.

While I'm not arguing with what you're saying, I'm not sure I see how
that addresses my question.

So far, the discussion has been about how/why Jews are persecuted,
and one of the reasons given was how we were easily identified.
I certainly thought you were saying that jews *don't* think Palestinians
have a separate identity, & yet don't like them (okay, so if I read that
in, I apologize), but I was giving a reason why.

What I'm trying to do is to reconcile what seems to me to be two
(well, maybe three) incompatible premises.

0) "(some) Jews are persecuting the Palestinians"
1) "(some) Jews deny the existence of Palestinians as an identity.
These tend to be ones who are also doing #0"
2) "Persecution of a group requires collection of the persecuted by
the persecutors based upon some unique identifying characteristic"

If #2 is correct, and #1 is also correct, then #0 cannot be correct
without some sort of further refinement or rationalisation. If the
unique identity is required for persecution, and that unique identity
is being actively denied by a group, then that group can't be engaging
in persecution - at least not in the way that #2 defines it, and/or
not toward the group whose identity is being denied.

The flaw in the argument here is that the group's "unique identity"
doesn't need to rely on the self-described identity of
"Palestinians". Rather, it can be as general as "Arabs who live in
the West Bank and Gaza, and their supporters."

Eliyahu
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