Re: Unveiled Stupidity

"DoD" <navydave@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:

"Don Levey" <Don_SCJM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Traditionally headgear was worn by females (and males) because of
tribal and folkloric reasons, but NOT religious ones.

Why does it matter *when* it made a transition to a religious
tradition?

When did it become tradition for Muslims?

Who cares? When did it become tradition for Jews to check
every leaf of lettuce for bugs?

March 4th, 1547 BCE .... ;o)..... I do know it was a few years before 1974
and I don't think it was for the reason of pleasing Islamists.

Well, there's a difference between the law, and what people do
to practice it. We've had discussions here before about what
some are describing as "recent stringencies" in kashrut; for example,
checking every lettuce leaf, strawberries, glatt vs "regular" kosher.
Yes, it may be that we know more now and have better information
with which to obey the law, or it may be that circumstances have
changed somewhat and practices have responded. Whatever the reason,
practices seemingly HAVE changed amongst a large group of Jews in
recent years. This may not have been in for the reason of pleasing
Islamists, but who issues the psakim (rulings)? Certainly not the
rank-and-file Jews, just as it's the imams that issues their own
particular fatwas.


Islam, like Judaism, doesn't have a pope. What some imams say may not
be universal for all Islam.

That's prolly why they went fishing in various countries for a variety of
different fatwas.

Sure. They're looking for a political solution to a problem with
a religious component. They don't particularly care about whether
the ruling they get has any validity or acceptability, as long as
it's the one they want.


Now, consider the parallel: suppose the US *were* trying to ban kippot.
The majority of US Jews don't wear them, just some "extremists". So
the US government send emmisaries to various rabbis they think will be
sympathetic. I can't imagine any but the most militant Reform rabbi
would consider issuing such a statement, even if s/he believes that it
is not a requirement for Jews. It would be a bad thing to do politically,
if nothing else.

True, and just to make sure this has some Jewish content, I did some reading
tonight on the kipot and I am not sure of something.

I know that it is for humility.... In ancient Roman times servants had to
wear head covering while free people did not. So Jews wear the kipa to show
that they are servents of G-d.... That was one explanation.

The other one was to acknowledge what is above you, as in G-d..... But I am
not sure how wearing a head covering acknoledges this. It is prolly a
simple answer, but I can't come up with it myself.

TIA for any help with this...

This question is for those with more knowledge than myself.

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