Re: Seruv against Sam Rosenbloom
- From: "cindys" <cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:58:10 +0000 (UTC)
"Herman Rubin" <hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
In article <46dd820b$0$18975$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
cindys <cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Malcolm McLean" <regniztar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
"Micha Berger" <micha@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
The owner of the websites described below, www.succah.com and
www.succah.safewebshop.com (note: with this exact spelling only!), is
in violation of Jewish law in that he has not given his wife a get, a
Jewish divorce decree.
Now I knew as soon as I read the title of this post that it would be
The law of Moses is quite clear. The husband can decide whether or not
grant a divorce. If the wife wants one and the husband doesn't, that's
just tough. You can't please everyone.
----------Maybe Moses was wrong to write that commandment. That's a rather
issue. The court has no credibility if it claims to interpret, rather
overrule, the law.
1. Moses is not the author of the torah.
With this, I agree. It was put together later.
2. A sola scriptura religion is a religion where only written scripture is
considered to hold any validity. Judaism is not such a religion.
your statement that a rabbinical court that interprets Jewish law lacks in
credibility is anti-Jewish and does not have a place on a moderated Jewish
Not all rabbis agree with you. Not all Jews are Orthodox.
I don't know of any rabbi (of any denomination) who would argue that Judaism
is sola scriptura. A Karaite maybe. I also don't know of any rabbi who would
categorically state that any rabbinical court which didn't accept that
Jewish law was sola scriptura was lacking in credibility.
I have argued before that if a court has the write to order
someone to give a writ through that court, it can grant the
writ itself. I also have argued that the Orthodox interpretation
3. It is inappropriate and arrogant for a non-Jew to proclaim the torah
ba'al peh (oral torah) to be invalid on a moderated Jewish newsgroup. It
equally arrogant and inappropriate when the Christians on alt.messy
the same, but at least alt.messy is not a moderated Jewish newsgroup.
It is appropriate for a Jew to proclaim that the Oral Law
is an invention of the Pharisees late in Second Temple days,
and that it was not accepted by most Jews then.
I disagree with your statement regarding the origin of the oral law, but the
operative point here is that at least you are Jewish.
4. I don't understand why SCJM has become a place where it's okay for
non-Jews to declare that Jewish courts have no authority to interpret
Which Jewish courts? I do not recognize their authority.
But other Jews do. And it is inappropriate for a non-Jew to pass judgment on
the validity of the Jewish court system or to declare on SCJM that Jewish
courts are lacking in authority if they don't agree [with him] that Judaism
is or should be a sola scriptura religion. I deal with that kind of cr*p on
alt.messy every day. but I don't expect to see it on SCJM.
Also, I am Jewish by any definition, and I have studied
many of the Jewish writings. I am logical, and have applied
logic to them, together with some knowledge of ancient times
from secular sources considered credible by most students
of those times.
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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