Re: R. Eliyahu calls for carpet bombing of Gaza

Joel Shurkin <jshurkin@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
moshes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
Joel Shurkin <jshurkin@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
moshes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
Joel Shurkin <jshurkin@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
flaviaR@xxxxxxxxxxx said:
kahn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (James Kahn) wrote:
Q <quondam1@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

In the law, there is the saying that "if both sides are unhappy, you
probably have a good settlement."

It may be a "saying," but it's not a legal criterion, for good
reasons. It's just as idiotic a cliche in that context as it is
in journalism. It treats truth as subjective. It's a first
cousin to the term "evenhanded" as applied to policy in the
Middle East.

If someone steals something from me, or libels me, what is "good"
about a settlement that leaves me unhappy? I'm the wronged party,
I deserve to be made whole. But in the world of moral equivalence,
there's no such thing as "wrong."

Very well said!

I might point out that that notion could have been said by any
number of Palestinians who think something was stolen from them.

Thanks Joel. It's important to reiterate the Palestinian propaganda
at every opprtunity. </sarcasm>

I am repeating their point of view. That doesn't mean I agree with it.
The analogy given above fails in the real world.

I just don't understand you Joel. You told us that the
Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims live in a "fantasy world" and no amount
of Western media can change that. OK. But now you seem to be saying
that since in their fantasy world they can claim to be "victims", it
means my legitimate grievences are on a par with their fictional
ones. Because that's the way the "real world" works. Sorry, I don't
buy that.

Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University

No Moshe. If you are to deal with them, or understand them, you have to
understand their view of the world. You don' t have to agree with it or
even think it is sane. But in the Middle East, more than any other
place I know, perception trumps reality. They feel they've been
screwed. You may not think they've been screwed; I may not thing they
have been screwed, and in reality, they may not have been screwed. But
they think they were and unless you are prepared to ignore them and be
assured they will ignore you, you have to accept the reality of their
perception, if not the perception itself.

I may have to accept their *perception*. I don't have to validate it.

Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
.

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