Re: Jewish Attitudes to Dresden Bombing

On Apr 19, 10:55 am, Eliyahu <lro...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Q <quond...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:> On Apr 19, 8:50 am, flav...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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Countries have to protect their citizens.

That can be used as an excuse to do *anything.*

Israel has been long overdue in treating the so-called Palestinians
like any OTHER Country could/DOES treat its attackers.

What other county -- claiming it is fearful of attackers -- has
sequestered an entire population behind walls? -- Q

What in the world are you talking about??? The only country I can
think of that has even approached this idea was East Germany, and
their wall was intended to keep their people inside; not to protect
them.

Israel has not "sequestered an entire population behind walls". In
fact, the barrier separating them from the east bank and Gaza is, for
the most part, a wire fence -- a concept which doesn't allow you to
get the emotionally-charged reaction of a "wall". And the fence
doesn't lock the Arabs up. Rather, it keeps them from entering another
country where they have no legal right to enter any more than non-
citizens have the right to enter the US by sneaking across the
border. They're free to cross their other borders into Jordan (if the
Jordanians would let them).

And how do you compare this fence with the border fences used by
France to keep out immigrants on its southern border, the fence used
in Korea to keep the nations apart, the fence on the southern US
border, the fence being built by Saudi Arabia to keep out other Arabs,
or any of the dozens of other border fences built by countries who
don't have to worry about terrorists constantly trying to destroy
them, but who simply want to control immigration? Would you argue
that it's okay to keep out people who just want to live in your
country without permission, but it's not okay to keep out people who
want to enter your country and kill people?

Eliyahu

The fences you mention are border fences, built by the various
countries to keep strangers out.

But the fences in the OT are not similar to those.

They are fences built by Israel that enclose towns containing
populations whose intentions visavis Israel are suspect.

Their object is not to keep strangers out. It is to keep them
contained in a small area.

As such -- at least according to Jimmy Carter -- they function as
Bantustan-like corrals, where the inhabitants don't have normal access
to the rest of the area including other, similar towns. -- Q




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