Re: Chickens vs. cows (was Re: Beth HaWaadh Permits Eating of Kitniyoth)

On 2007-04-15 04:18:41 -0400, moshes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx said:

"Joel Shurkin" <jshurkin@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
mos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Joel Shurkin <jshur...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
Susan S <otoeremovet...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

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How many people do you know who are so easily confused?
Honestly, do you go around saying, "Stupid Jews, don't know
wheat from corn or rice."?

Same ones who think chickens look like cows, i guess.

Joel, it's one-liners like this that make me despair of you. The
reasons for adding fowl to the rules of meat-and-milk-mixtures has
_nothing_ to do with "chickens look like cows" and you know it. Or
you should because it's been discussed here many times.

Cows need slaughter. Chickens need slaughter. Blood of cows is
forbidden. Blood of chickens is forbidden. Both are precessed in the
kitchen the same way; slaughtered, salted, soaked and rinsed. At this
point the rules diverge but they've been handled together for quite
a while.

I don't know about you, Moshe, but I don't slaughter either cows or
chickens in my kitchen

I don't slaughter chickens in my kitchen either. But I do buy my
chickens the same place I buy my cow meat. And either I or the
butcher had to _process_ them the same way. The possibility at least
that some people would consider what was OK for one to be OK for the
other is not outlandish.

That was fine when you went off to the market in the center of town and bought the meat and chicken from the butchers. In our modern world, we go to a supermarket or a butcher and the two foods are separate, from separate sources. If this was supposed to be a Torah fence, it no longer needs to be now. Why does the fact the process is the same factor into it?

and there no longer is any reason for chicken to be considered the
same as meat. But no one appears to have the courage to actually
say so.

Do you really think Rabbinic legislation should consider "Where does
Joel Shurkin process his chickens?"? I know you're egotistical (we
all are) but please, some proportion. A general rule is made for the
general populace.

All they have to do is ask and I'll straighten them out, Moshe. ::>)

I get sarcastic but you get the point.

No I don't. Your snide remark "who think chickens look like cows"
means to me, that you don't care what the real reason is, you'll
just phrase it in a way to make them look stupid.

Because, there is nothing in the Torah suggesting that the rule against dead cows and dairy applies to dead birds. It just doesn't. It doesn't hint at it. There is nothing loose enough to encourage interpretation, it was pulled out of thin air.

j


Moshe Schorr
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