Re: Chickens vs. cows (was Re: Beth HaWaadh Permits Eating of Kitniyoth)

In soc.culture.jewish.moderated I read this message from "Giorgies E.
Geshahnna" <geshahnna@xxxxxxxxxxx>:

On Apr 15, 4:18 am, mos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
"Joel Shurkin" <jshur...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
mos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Joel Shurkin <jshur...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
Susan S <otoeremovet...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

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How many people do you know who are so easily confused?
Honestly, do you go around saying, "Stupid Jews, don't know
wheat from corn or rice."?

Same ones who think chickens look like cows, i guess.

Joel, it's one-liners like this that make me despair of you. The
reasons for adding fowl to the rules of meat-and-milk-mixtures has
_nothing_ to do with "chickens look like cows" and you know it. Or
you should because it's been discussed here many times.

Cows need slaughter. Chickens need slaughter. Blood of cows is
forbidden. Blood of chickens is forbidden. Both are precessed in the
kitchen the same way; slaughtered, salted, soaked and rinsed. At this
point the rules diverge but they've been handled together for quite
a while.

I don't know about you, Moshe, but I don't slaughter either cows or
chickens in my kitchen

I don't slaughter chickens in my kitchen either. But I do buy my
chickens the same place I buy my cow meat. And either I or the
butcher had to _process_ them the same way. The possibility at least
that some people would consider what was OK for one to be OK for the
other is not outlandish.

and there no longer is any reason for chicken to be considered the
same as meat. But no one appears to have the courage to actually
say so.

Do you really think Rabbinic legislation should consider "Where does
Joel Shurkin process his chickens?"? I know you're egotistical (we
all are) but please, some proportion. A general rule is made for the
general populace.

I get sarcastic but you get the point.

No I don't. Your snide remark "who think chickens look like cows"
means to me, that you don't care what the real reason is, you'll
just phrase it in a way to make them look stupid.

In actuality, with modern modes of meat acquisition and consumption
the confusion is even more apt to occur. We get our meat from the
butcher or even from the grocery store or supermarket all ready
prepared and cut up. Now consider an ordinary housewife, busy tired
and harried, preparing Shabbath foods on a short winter's Friday. She
takes some raw meat from the refrigerator intending to season and cook
it. It is in fact a slice of boneless veal cutlet, but she, thinking
it be a slice of boneless chicken cutlet ,she braises it in a cream
based sauce without giving it any thought. But now that the hazal in
their Godly inspired foresight have forbidden fowl with milk, this
mixup will not occur even in modern times when it is far more likely
than would have been in their own times when meat came from an animal
instead of from the grocer's freezer case.

Do you do much cooking? I have never, ever confused one type of meat for
another and I have been cooking for a long time, in rushed and relaxed
circumstances.

[snip]
Susan Silberstein
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