Re: Judaism and separation of religion and state


yacovachi@xxxxxxx wrote:
Herman Rubin wrote:

It also makes his excommunication more understandable,
and even why the charges were never made public.

They were.

When will you READ the history form an ORIGINAL source as opposed to
making everything a cat's paw in your vendetta against the shtetl
Orthodox?

Can you please try to be HONEST?

Espinoza was not a "religious" issue. It was not an "excommunication"
in the style of the Catholic church.

It was POLITICAL!!!!

Your weltanschanug precludes Judaism having a political dimension. An
Amsterdam Sephard's REQUIRES it . Ta shema' -- "A Theological
*****POLITICAL*** Treatise"!!!!!!!


When Spinoza was excommunicated, at age 23-24, he had not yet written
anything, least of all the Theological Political Treatise



I once again object the lack of any scintilla of intellectual honesty.

The Orthodox Jews in Amsterdam could not imagine that the
laws of their religion would not be binding on Jews (sound
familiar?), and so they could not accept his explicit stand
on the separation of religion and state.

This came much later. They objected to his IDEAS (not yet written)
about God.


They could not care less. They were not in agreement with his notions
of absolute sovereignty of a political leader, and no one who likes
freedom should be either.
But secular Jews are so busy with their vendettas they never actually
READ Espinoza.


This secular Jew has. Have you?

Spinoza was excommunicated because the Jewish rabbis had promised the
Dutch authorities (who were liberal but nevertheless religious) that
their Jewish members would not stray from the fold and "incite" the
community at large with any atheist or heretic notions. This was a
religious community, and one could choose which religion to follow, but
then the chosen religion had to be followed. What is puzzling is the
severity of the ban (life-long) when others had received "sentences"
of a few days or weeks or even months. And this based on hearsay alone,
without any written proof.




It CAN be done, and to have freedom, it MUST be done.
While halakhah MAY not be as bad as Puritanism, and is
definitely not as bad as Shaaria, if we are to be a
free people, it is still bad to impose it on those who
do not agree.

No Jew does. Helll-oo? Did any Jew ever arrest a Jew on "religious"
charges? Ever compel another Jew to perform a misva?

Why do you continually misrepresent EVERYTHING in Judaism?



Jacko, you never heard of Jews being punished for transgressing Jewish
law? No? It's in the Torah. Tzelofechad was killed for gathering
firewood on the Sabbath. Numbers 15: 33-34. So maybe Herman is not
misrepresenting EVERYTHING in Judaism.


Jay


This address is for information only.

I see no informational content. Only disinformatsia.

Jacko

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