Re: Support For Israel

In article <ea2n4u$b2u$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Steve Goldfarb <slg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In <e9sbt3$860$2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> phoenix@xxxxxxx (Damien Sullivan) writes:

"Steve Goldfarb" <slg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, I think they're entitled to *some* of the land. Gaza and the
West Bank. But not all of the land, because it's also Israel, and so
the Jews are entitled to what they have. I don't mean strictly the

Why are "they," collectively, entitled to anything? Where individual

As human beings, they're entitled to citizenship in a democratic

sovereignty, in, at least, the land they currently live on. Period.

As a moral principle, I agree that all human beings are entitled to
citizenship in a democratic sovereignty.

I would add in a society which has their general values.

Democracy is as totalitarian as any other form of
government; any sufficiently large population should
be able to form a Constitutional state with principles
which do not oppress unwilling members. The problem
is, how do we do this? Essentially all the land on
Earth is claimed. Where can the tens of millions of
libertarians go?

The totalitarian Islamic government in Gaza and the
West Bank was democratically chosen, and this is not
the first case of that kind of democracy. The
Massachusetts Bay Colony was democratically chosen.
There is nothing in "democracy" to prevent these
totalitarian excesses.

What is needed is not a democratic method of choosing
absolute rulers, but sufficient restrictions on the
powers of the rulers. Halakhah, shaaria, and the like
do not fall into my criteria for acceptability, no
matter how large the majority.


Not sure about in "the land they
currently live on," don't know what "the land" means in that context. Of
course, in that perfect world (if it is indeed perfect) that land might
not be a Jewish state, but it wouldn't be a Palestinian / Arab / Muslim
one either. But since they aren't offering democratic citizenshp to any
who happen to live there anyway, it's not relevant.

This is a major problem. See my comments above.
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