Re: Orthodox female *rabbi*

In article <nyq8g.12735$TT.5461@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "cindys" <cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:


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On Sun, 7 May 2006 19:55:22 +0000 (UTC), cindys
<cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
: Since when does learning need to be *recognized?* Isn't it supposed
to
be
: l'shem shemayim (for the sake of heaven)? There are plenty of men who
are
: infinitely more learned than Haviva Ner-David who don't have semicha.

... and plenty of men with semichah whose learning is unimpressive.

For most men who get semichah, it's a goal to study for. For some
people,
it's easier to hit the beis medrash every day if you're working toward
a measurable end.

I understand completely. One of the most frustrating parts of learning
for
me is that I can't think of one single book, be it chumash, navi,
mishnah,
gemara, or hilchos anything that I've learned from beginning to end. I
know
a little bit about a lot of things, and I'm a master of nothing.

IOW, going for semichah translates into having a
curriculum and a standard of knowledge to work toward.

Absolutely. That's the point. Not to have that is the most frustrating
thing
in the world. I can't help but wonder who are these people who sit for
the
various exams that Josh administers? I didn't get the impression that
the

Two groups of students: 1) girls finishing 12th grade at Beis Yaakov
high schools in Brooklyn, Lakewood NJ, and other sites. These girls
self-study using the curriculum and study guides posted on our website
www.jewishbible.org; and 2) yeshiva high school graduates who have spent
at least one (usually two) years in Israel at a yeshiva like Kol Torah,
Mir, Midrash Shmuel, etc. Only after 1-2 years of intensive study here
are they able to pass the very rigorous advanced talmud exam. The exams
in Hebrew and Jewish music they study for on their own.





exams were semicha exams, but they sound at least as rigorous. Where
does

Correct.


one obtain the curriculum? What are the prerequisites? How does one
prepare?


See the website. As I explained in a post 2 days ago, with the proper
books and audiovisual material, ANYONE can master the subject matter
in a short time. That's why I go ballistic when I see the results
coming out of standard yeshiva high schools: the material could have
been taught at a higher level in a much shorter time span at a cost
reduction of a magnitude of 10.



Unless I misunderstood, I also didn't get the impression that being of
the
male gender was one of the requirements (at least not for a lot of the
exams).


Except for gemara :-)
---------------
Thank you, Josh. And for the record, I have always found it rather ironic
that the O world (not you) goes ballistic over the idea of women learning
gemara when the real power (i.e., real focus of a semicha program, at least
as far as I can tell) lies in mastering large sections of yoreh deah. (Yes,
I know there is the gemara requirement for semicha but it doesn't really
seem to be the focus).

I know one of the rabbis in my community sat for some certification in
"something very advanced" concerning hilchos kashrus. This didn't confer an


Probably "kabbala" in shechita.



additional degree, as the guy already had (yoreh yoreh) semicha, but it was
just additional certification in a specialty area, kind of like how my
husband gets certified in the use of various software packages, I would
presume. Let's suppose I wanted to sit for the same certification this guy
sat for, or I wanted to sit for certification in any part of yoreh deah?
Would I (as a woman) be permitted? Or suppose I wanted certification on


No.



some other part of the shulchan aruch that wasn't part of the semicha
requirement. Do such certification exams exist, and would I (as a woman) be
permitted to sit for them? (In general, I don't necessarily mean with your
organization).


No and no :-)

Josh


Best regards,
---Cindy S.

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