Re: Spilling out drops of wine at the Seder

In article <e333j6$vfa$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Micha Berger <micha@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:09:28 +0000 (UTC), backon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
: Again, show me a written source by a Rishon/Acharon (prior to the
: year 1900) that the reason why we lift the finger/spill out drops
: of wine at the Seder is because of "binfol eyivcha" and you get $100
: (cash, check or Paypal).

: Sheldon: Rav Elyashiv is my aunt's first cousin. I am a "ben bayit"
: at their house. Trust me: he doesn't for a second believe that the
: reason for spilling out drops of wine is because of "sorrow" for
: the poor Egyptians. He would have a conniption if he knew that he
: was being quoted with this perversion of Judaism.

I would want to see it in writing. (By your own criterion.)

In the meantime, with a reliable source telling me otherwise, I'm not
inclined to simply run with your assumptions about what R' Elyashiv
would or wouldn't say.

You're also avoiding the primary issue: Your willingness to call a
position with a history running from before the Yalqut to R' Aharon
Kotler some un-Jewish hyper-liberal assimilated PC / Christian value.


You miss the point: show me one authentic Rishon/Acharon (prior to
1900) [and I'm not referring to some chassidishe amha'aretz with
a diploma or like in the NOT THE JEWISH PRESS parody we put out in 1979
on our "Meet our Ketanim" column where we interviewed R. Chaim
Hochlieber the 'Krotz of Blitta' who in a pique decided that "eating
on Yom Kippur wasn't so bad as long as you "bentched" afterwards"]
in a written Sefer that the reason why we SPILL OUT WINE at the Seder
is because of "binfol oyivcha", and you get a crispy $100 bill.
Or a check or by PAYPAL :-) Because I put my money where my mouth is.

And please don't quote the supposed Abarbanel because as I demonstrated
(and even gave the URL at //jnul.huji.ac.il) it doesn't exist. Nor quote
some BT who I'm embarrassed to say was allowed to write for Ohr
Sameach, Aish haTorah or even Artscroll. These aren't sources.

KOTLER: what does he write and where did he write it ?

Josh



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